twighead said:

Aye, like you say I'm sure it'll pretty much only be basics that are covered... though basics would probably extended to a fairly decent PC... etc.

But by the time that sort of thing is coming into play, the luxury items might be something like a personal spacecraft.... sooo there's definitely plenty of incentive to make a little extra money

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I will have a better Spacecraft than yours.

Will have a crew of travelling scientists. I may be the only Human on board.

Ahab McBathsalts said:

The automation of jobs goes hand in hand with a hollowed out middle class, a Guaranteed Minimum Income, and more socialism and populist policies. People will riot for bread.


Some manual labour isn't efficient to do with robots. It is unlikely you will have a robot to clean bathrooms, construction, or daylight underground utilities. Intelligent routing paths for something as complex as storing building materials outdoors for later use while working around other trades is tough enough for humans. Let alone for humans to program robots to do it effectively.

There was a story a while ago about a dude's dog taking a shit in his living room and then his Roomba spread it to every corner of the room while he was away at work.

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MajickMuffin said:

You are right, some 'basic' jobs would be more efficient to have humans do, while others would be more efficient to have robots do.

This would be in all fields of work/labor however, not necessarily only 'basic'.

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Maybe We don't know really how good the AI might get in the next 30 years. It could become as extreme as a robot relatively priced the same as todays computers could perform all of a buildings maintenance and cleaning, and then it would be quite efficient.

Ahab McBathsalts said:

It is an inefficient use of society's resources to have a ballooned lower class that serve no purpose. They will be marginalized and eliminated when possible.

A socialist guaranteed minimum income might be enough for bread and to sit this useless class of people infront of TV and computer screens for enough hours a day to keep them out of the streets.

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that's basically what they do anyway

you come at this from a skewed perspective. There is no higher purpose to humanity that we can know. As far as we can be sure, like any animal we spread our genes, and we avoid pain and seek pleasure. Beyond that there's nothing.

If we consider joy and pleasure to be the best of possibilities and pain to be the worst, a world in which the maximum amount of pleasure is enjoyed is ideal. Thus, if we can support such a world, we ought to. Why not?

What does having everyone work for corporate monopolies achieve?

I don't believe they would be marginalized or illuminated, if their existence was supported by efficient resource usage. Conflict is driven by resource scarcity. If there is no resource scarcity, there is no need for conflict

Ahab McBathsalts said:

It is an inefficient use of society's resources to have a ballooned lower class that serve no purpose. They will be marginalized and eliminated when possible.

A socialist guaranteed minimum income might be enough for bread and to sit this useless class of people infront of TV and computer screens for enough hours a day to keep them out of the streets.

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Presuming that resources are continually shifted away from scarce to renewable ones (carbon structures especially), and that collectively owned automated systems create cheaply as much as is demanded of anything... there would be no reason for anyone to behave like lower class - the entire point of society would be to create a high quality life for everyone... not to build up profits for individuals. This change will be made realizable by more and more people being satisfied by what is easily acquirable. By that point I would presume we will be able to cheaply implement highly automated vertical farming systems locally... so more like, you go to your local farm and pick whatever you want out - not wait in line for bread And TV and computer would more than likely be fairly passe, I imagine most would opt for VR at that point. Where you could play out your capitalist fantasies all you want if you like!

Ahab McBathsalts said:

If you still have 8 billion people on the planet, there is still scarcity of water, food, arable land, oil, rare earths, and commodity crops. Free or low priced labour is only one variable in scarcity of resources.

To not have any resources as scarce is to do away with 300 years of economics.

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Ahab McBathsalts said:

If you still have 8 billion people on the planet, there is still scarcity of water, food, arable land, oil, rare earths, and commodity crops. Free or low priced labour is only one variable in scarcity of resources.

To not have any resources as scarce is to do away with 300 years of economics.

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Ahab McBathsalts said:

If you still have 8 billion people on the planet, there is still scarcity of water, food, arable land, oil, rare earths, and commodity crops. Free or low priced labour is only one variable in scarcity of resources.

To not have any resources as scarce is to do away with 300 years of economics.

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MajickMuffin said:

Yeah.

The fall of capitalism we will see if Bernie Sanders becomes president.

The fall of America we will see if Trump becomes president.

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