Bubbles85 said:
I don't need to back up what I know I've all ready said just to appease you. I know what I've said. Maybe you should look through my posts for you're self and prove me wrong.
The burden of proof is on you. You make the statement and you cannot back it up. I have already tried searching myself and can't find anything.
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 Says a lack of gender imbalance is not a good thing amongst these people, then true to Liberal form, tries to justify it 
some of you guys on here really struggle with the idea that exploring and understanding the reasons behind something DOESNT mean you justify it. I did not once justify gender imbalances, what an absurd statement.
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I don't ever recall reading what the EU commissioner stated as reflecting the present. He was clearly talking about the entire situation as a whole.
First of all, i've already provided you twice with statistics from earlier in the crisis that contradict your "60% are economic migrants" quote
Secondly,
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“More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status… more than half, 60 percent,” said Frans Timmerman, vice-president of the European Commission, citing what he said were new, unpublished figures from the EU border agency Frontex.
He also said this..
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There is no proof that bringing back border controls will help to ease the situation in terms of reducing the number of refugees,” Timmerman told NOS. He said it would be a “huge risk” which may result in “enormous economic consequences” and yet will not produce any positive outcome.
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Bubbles85 said:Again, you continually fixate the entire situation on "refugees" when 60% of the people that have come in to the EU illegally, do not qualify to apply for asylum.
No, i have never once pretended it is 100% refugees. it is a refugee crisis and a migrant crisis, it is a crisis.
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It is open door immigration policy that has allowed these people in, which is guided through and through by Liberal ideology. So why do you not agree, that, that is the route cause of this mess? when clearly it is.
I will say again..
allowing people to come is not the root cause of why people are coming. Do you not understand why that doesnt make any sense?
War is the reason why people are coming.
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I never said that immigration is ethnic cleansing, again in Liberal fantasy land, you interpret my words to imply what you wish them to imply, to make my statements seem wrong and yours to seem just.
I said that a type of ethnic cleansing takes place. When immigrants of different cultures and beliefs are allowed to poor in to foreign nations in mass numbers. They take over entire areas, that become inhabited by only there populace. The immigrants move in and the native population moves out. That is ethnic cleaning, whether you like it or not.
Can you show me that this is the case? I can understand where you are coming from but I don't think what you are saying is represenative of what is happening generally. I disagree with all refugees or muslims or whatever being housed all together, ghettoisation does not help integration.
Also the existence of a ghetto in a town is not ethnic cleansing. People move out because they choose to, not because they are forced to.
Many refugees are being housed individually. This is where we come back to the problem of management, failures in management mean destructive things like ghettoisation can form- but smart management can resolve a lot of these issues. There are many Germans individually making organisations to resettle individual refugees among germans. That is very helpful to integration.
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Again this is you living in some type of fairy tale land about what could or should be. Instead of actually looking at the situation for what it is. Its all well and good saying "it takes two, both side should make an effort" but the truth is that doesn't happen.
Why is it a fairy tale to say it happens like this? its true that failures in integration come from one side, the other or both sides.
I am looking at the situation for what it is, but i'm actually trying to think of solutions where as you and others are just headless chickens running around panicking and that helps nothing. It is a crisis, yes. It is being poorly managed in many places? yes. In some places has the management been superb? absolutely. Economic migrants will be deported more and more as management comes together. The logistical feat of managing this crisis across continents is hard as it is. No one is pretending its easy.
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Again, this is you simply trying to justify why these people set up there own community's, isolated from the rest of the country. 90% of what you say contradicts its self. You say these people can assimilate and integrate, whilst at the same time trying to justify why they dont. It's just idiocy.
UNDERSTANDING REASONS IS NOT JUSTIFYING
Identity is important and so its understandable that one might want to mix with people of a similar background. Identities are evolving things, people merge their cultural identity with the host cultural identity. There are hybrid identities. I am speaking from experience because I grew up between multiple countries.
Integration is a long process. At first when moving to a new country, you might stay in areas familiar to you culturally. Studies show that with greater economic mobility, as people make money they move out of these areas. After time, these communities become more and more intertwined and integrated into society.
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No, what is giving rise to the far right in Europe, is the complete and utter contradictory nature of Liberal ideology. Its astonishing how so much of what Liberals identify with, contradicts its self on so many levels.
Equal right for women and filling the EU with misogynists, who are then defended when they rape is a perfect example of that. This is what is giving rise to the far right.
"filling the EU with misogynists" - do you ever notice how loaded all the language you use is?
No one is defending rapists, Bubbles..
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What the fuck are YOU talking about? Did i state that Germany should be kicked out of the EU? No. Maybe you should read my post again properly. I was referring to Greece. I clearly stated Greece several times.
Apologies, I read it wrongly. My point returns in asking you what you think that would do for the EU to have a cut off Greece being filled by refugees. Concentrating the problem is not helpful, cutting it off and assuming you are insulated from it is delusional.
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Why do you constantly fixate this on refugees? Its getting fucking boring now dude. Its just an easy scape goat for you, to try to justify this entire fucking mess. "Oh the poor refugees" Lets cheer them on and help them in
because its the largest REFUGEE crisis since the second world war?
"oh the poor refugees" - I hope you are never a refugee because you would swallow your words so fucking fast. My father ran refugee camps all over the world, I've worked with refugees and continue to do so. Part of my family were refugees.
why can't i talk about refugees? I have not pretended once that there are rapists, criminals, economic migrants etc coming in too. Refugees will be the ones accepted to stay, the rest can be deported. Refugees who are accepted and break the law can also be deported.
Again.... two words you fail to understand "refugee" and "crisis"
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Refugees as I've stated on several occasions, should be applying for asylum in the first country of safety. Not traveling though countless country's and thousands of miles, just to get to the richest, where the hand outs are plentiful. There motivated by what they believe they will be given and material gain, not safety.
We just go around in circles don't we, Bubbles?
Do you not think it would be harmful if refugees were concentrated in the poorest countries on the periphery of Europe????
Germany (The German Government) accepted refugees because they are the main country in Europe in the best financial position to take refugees. You must be losing it if you think the protocol of asylum at first entry was going to work. Schengen would still be in crisis, people would still not be getting jobs and if they became EU citizens (as is likely) then they could still move to Germany anyway.
I do agree that greater processing/controls should have happened as early as possible after entry of Europe.
You think people just went to Germany for hand outs? They were welcomed for the most part, at least at first, and there is best chance of getting a job, why not go there?
Do you think people should be getting stranded in countries along the way? Where they don't want to stay and they can't get jobs.
Refugees are gona come whether you like it or not. We just need better mechanisms in place to make sure the right people are staying, the wrong people are leaving.
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It makes no difference what you've said. Greece is skating on thin fucking ice. As i said its been nothing but a burden since it joined the EU and it has purposely shipped these people North to try to save its own broke down ass. They should be kicked out of the EU and tough boarder controls should be put in place on its Northern boarder.
The very reason Greece is on thin ice is a good reason not to dump all the refugees on them. Its not going to work. Then you want to seal their borders? that will destroy a lot of economic activity. Greece may just go a lot faster steeply down hill.
What if Greece because a refugee-filled failed state within the borders of geographical Europe? Is that helpful to the EU? Or will everyone just keep putting up fences until Europe becomes smaller and smaller?
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Oh and just for the record, yes i do know some Muslims. I am good friends with a muslim through my work, who came here as a child in the 1950's, when immigration was small and people integrated. He feels exactly them same way i do, regarding the mess of mass migrations, of today. He has even just moved out of an area of the city, that has been over run by modern day mass migrants, to live in a predominately native British area 
thats good. So you can see that people can integrate well. Yes, like i said earlier, as integration skills and economic mobility increase, people move out of more migranty areas.
No one is disputing that more people means its harder, but that doesnt mean that people can't integrate, it just makes the process a more complicated one.
The fact is that the world is a global place, migration has always been a thing and will continue to forever, with global climate change it is set to even get worse. All countries should just get really good at the integration process.
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