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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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Starter said:
Malkuthian said:
Starter said:
I didn't state the left have no education but their lib'tardism is definitely dominated by arts bollocks.



Yes, most artsy people are drawn to the left side.
That's true for both artsy people with arts-degrees and artsy people with "real education".

But that does not mean the left side is dominated by these people, certainly not that its dominated by the art-degree people...



Leftists are mostly arts wankers who have no use to society. Fucking hipsters and other degenerate filth. Okay, you going to have a bash at my questions I posed bigbadwoofie?



I don't even know where to begin w this guy. Openly racist, shit talking I assume teenager (at least I hope)

def getting the ignore


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
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Who are you referring to when you say "leftists"?



The cowardly PeeCee numbnuts who think:

...we need to reduce immigration because we obviously have a lot of people who aren't capable of handling the burden of living next to someone from "another culture".

Such ignore the constraints of civic/social infrastructure, and worse, if Swedish (as you are) ignore the 1 in 4 of their women who will be raped whilst they crow tolerance from their pulpit.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

I don't have much time for you. You're a coward and a leftist apologist for criminal Islamic scum destroying your country, and instead of standing up you attack the "far-right".


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
Starter said:
Malkuthian said:
Starter said:
I didn't state the left have no education but their lib'tardism is definitely dominated by arts bollocks.



Yes, most artsy people are drawn to the left side.
That's true for both artsy people with arts-degrees and artsy people with "real education".

But that does not mean the left side is dominated by these people, certainly not that its dominated by the art-degree people...



Leftists are mostly arts wankers who have no use to society. Fucking hipsters and other degenerate filth. Okay, you going to have a bash at my questions I posed bigbadwoofie?



I don't even know where to begin w this guy. Openly racist, shit talking I assume teenager (at least I hope)

def getting the ignore



You're afraid of having your arse handed to you - and I will if you dare take me on!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter] * 1
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Starter said:
I don't have much time for you. You're a coward and a leftist apologist for criminal Islamic scum destroying your country, and instead of standing up you attack the "far-right".



One thing the far right is really bad at is behaving appropriately towards there fellow human beings, as seen in your quote above.

And....are you only talking about criminal Muslims all of a sudden? I never even said a word about it myself...

Yea, the far right is a bigger problem than "Muslims".
IS is a bigger problem than the far right though...
But then again, the far right is currently helping in radicalizing Muslims towards IS. War is created when two sides collide. Just like the far right increases after terrorist-attacks, so will IS increase when general Muslims are being blamed for it. Polarization of sides will not result in anything good....

The thing is, most Muslims coming here are willing to adapt to fit into our society, (off course they want to keep some of their traditions, such as halal and Ramadan etc, which should be possible without interfering with the adaption). But then they are faced with far-right war-mongers that shout racist crap at them wanting to rip their veils of....

Integration is reached when to sides act together to reach coexistence. Currently the big obstacle for integration is not the immigrants not wanting to coexist, but the far right not accepting the existence of Muslims in their countries.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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viktor said:
Every extra Muslim who enters Europe just emboldens and strengthens the far-right.



Yes, every time there is increased migration we see an increase in the far right. No one has claimed otherwise?

I will strongly argue that the far right are wrong, in almost every way, and that they are a big problem for society. I don't think we can let to many refugees in because I think that this would create to much violence, not because of violent immigrants, but because of violent far right assholes.

I will continue arguing against the far right, but I still think we need to reduce immigration because we obviously have a lot of people who aren't capable of handling the burden of living next to someone from "another culture".



"would create to much violence, not because of violent immigrants, but because of violent far right assholes"

If you were intellectually honest, you would acknowledge that the violent crime statistics clearly show that the vast majority of the time the native populations are the victims and the Muslims are the perpetrators.

Is the issue just living next to someone from "another culture"?  No, it's living next to a dysfunctional culture which commits a massive disproportional amount of crime, leeches off of the social system, and puts little effort into assimilation.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
Starter said:
I don't have much time for you. You're a coward and a leftist apologist for criminal Islamic scum destroying your country, and instead of standing up you attack the "far-right".



One thing the far right is really bad at is behaving appropriately towards there fellow human beings, as seen in your quote above.

And....are you only talking about criminal Muslims all of a sudden? I never even said a word about it myself...

Yea, the far right is a bigger problem than "Muslims".
IS is a bigger problem than the far right though...
But then again, the far right is currently helping in radicalizing Muslims towards IS. War is created when two sides collide. Just like the far right increases after terrorist-attacks, so will IS increase when general Muslims are being blamed for it. Polarization of sides will not result in anything good....

The thing is, most Muslims coming here are willing to adapt to fit into our society, (off course they want to keep some of their traditions, such as halal and Ramadan etc, which should be possible without interfering with the adaption). But then they are faced with far-right war-mongers that shout racist crap at them wanting to rip their veils of....

Integration is reached when to sides act together to reach coexistence. Currently the big obstacle for integration is not the immigrants not wanting to coexist, but the far right not accepting the existence of Muslims in their countries.



What a bunch of bullshit, the burden isn't upon the native population, the burden is upon the people that come into another culture.

Do you know why Asians do so well in the US?  Because they do the right things and they quickly gain the respect of the native population.  There isn't any "right wingers" putting up some barriers for coexistence, this is all liberal fantasyland nonsense. 

The reason why Muslims don't assimilate into EU culture is because of MUSLIMS.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
Finnish people chasing Islamic invaders back across the border. Take a good look at these "extreme right wingers" and you will see mothers, fathers, children, grampa and grandma. This is called the general population.





The text in this video, reminds me of this video



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Malkuthian said:
Starter said:
I don't have much time for you. You're a coward and a leftist apologist for criminal Islamic scum destroying your country, and instead of standing up you attack the "far-right".



One thing the far right is really bad at is behaving appropriately towards there fellow human beings, as seen in your quote above.

And....are you only talking about criminal Muslims all of a sudden? I never even said a word about it myself...

Yea, the far right is a bigger problem than "Muslims".
IS is a bigger problem than the far right though...
But then again, the far right is currently helping in radicalizing Muslims towards IS. War is created when two sides collide. Just like the far right increases after terrorist-attacks, so will IS increase when general Muslims are being blamed for it. Polarization of sides will not result in anything good....

The thing is, most Muslims coming here are willing to adapt to fit into our society, (off course they want to keep some of their traditions, such as halal and Ramadan etc, which should be possible without interfering with the adaption). But then they are faced with far-right war-mongers that shout racist crap at them wanting to rip their veils of....

Integration is reached when to sides act together to reach coexistence. Currently the big obstacle for integration is not the immigrants not wanting to coexist, but the far right not accepting the existence of Muslims in their countries.



What a bunch of bullshit, the burden isn't upon the native population, the burden is upon the people that come into another culture.

Do you know why Asians do so well in the US?  Because they do the right things and they quickly gain the respect of the native population.  There isn't any "right wingers" putting up some barriers for coexistence, this is all liberal fantasyland nonsense. 

The reason why Muslims don't assimilate into EU culture is because of MUSLIMS.



indians, pakistanis and the majority of africans do well in the US also

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Prisoner#1]
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lol so pris are you trying to add to qman's point by using majorly Muslims immigrants as an example cause that doesn't really fit the presented narrative


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
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viktor said:
Tipote said:
Its your assumption that it would destroy our countries.. which takes as back to "othering". dehumanisation.



:rofl: Let ten million Nigerians move to your home city and tell me how your standard of living goes.
Your problem is that you think with emotion and are not capable or willing to rationally consider the long-term consequences of what you are suggesting.
If Europeans continue to be forced to accept their own ethnic cleansing, they will eventually retaliate. When this happens it will be extremely ugly. Look what happened the last time Europeans felt themselves exploited by a foreign race, 70 years ago.
Your policy of forcing Europe into a situation that it viscerally does not want is going to lead to disaster. In fact, it already has.



Ive repeatedly said that concentrating the issue in one place is not helpful.. at all..
so why are you giving extreme examples of 10 million nigerians coming to my home city?  Why not ask if I will accept 10 million in my house? Thats when we can really get into reasonable discussion.......... You say that I'm not the one thinking rationally but you seem to reason with extremes that do not find a home in reality.

I'm going on my education, experiences, reason and principle. I do think about the long term consequences, this is why i'm asking Bubbles what he thinks it would do to Europe to have Greece as a refugee camp country.

The fact is, you cannot isolate yourself from the effects of global conflict. There are millions of Muslims already in Europe, the vast majority of them are integrated so it doesnt come down to an issue of incompatibility of Islam in the West.

On principle, when our countries fuel a conflict, but even if they don't, we have a moral responsibility to protect those fleeing the horrors of war. My father lived in warzones for most of his life, my grandfather survived the Nazi occupation of France and saved countless Jewish families.
So yes firstly it comes down to right and wrong. It's not always black and white but some decisions are clear - all countries should share the burden.
Then after that initial understanding, the next issue is how to do so effectively without making extreme examples of 10 million people in my home town. The crisis we face in Europe is not just one from having lots of refugees and migrants coming in, it is a crisis of management. Our governments knew of the crisis last year, it was known well in advance that there would be an exodus out of the middle east - Europe ignored it until they couldnt any longer and now they are fumbling.

BTW i suggest you look up the term "ethnic cleansing" so you can use it properly.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
This is interesting, because, although I've never known anyone from Nigeria, I've known and worked with many people from Kenya and Ethiopia. For the most part they assimilated very well. I thought one of the Kenyan guys was American for the first 10 months I worked with him lol.

They were nice guys, and I got along with the black people better than the white people at that particular workplace. Most of them were African.

I've heard horror stories about Somalians though. I think Islam plays a huge role. People don't realize how central Islam is to Muslim life. It is literally ingrained in every facet of their life. Even their language. Many day to day arab words relate directly to Islam. They pray every 3 hours? I believe that's correct. They have a specific diet, and dress. I mean, Islam IS their culture, and that's not something that can be assimilated out very easily.



Alot of muslims i meet don't even pray as much as they should (5 times a day) or do ramadan etc. They are like how Westerners say they are Christian and then don't actually do anything religious. It varies country to country, person to person.

Ive met many well integrated Nigerians and Somalians. I'm not sure of your point about how Islam comes into it. Each islamic country have incorporated Islam into their own culture in their own ways. In Kosovo and Macedonia (Europe) there are Europeans who are mainly Muslim and have been for centuries.

So what if you pray and have a special diet. What about jehovahs witnesses and vegans, what about Jews and kosher? We got very different lifestyles already and people can still integrate. In fact, if people are coming to the West in the first place, they are self-selecting to an extent and already based on whether they would accept living under Western government.

Sharia actually says that Muslims must follow the laws of host countries. When people go crazy about Sharia in the West, they don't understand its usually used for things like divorces and inheritance issues etc which individuals choose to follow. It does not become more significant than UK law. No one is allowed to chop hands off etc.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
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viktor said:
Apparently the Sweden Democrats are the highest polling party in Sweden, at 25%.
The last time I was in Sweden, in 2008, they were seen as fringe neo-Nazis and were polling less than 4%.
This is a direct consequence of the stupidity of the policies advocated by Tipote and his like.
Every extra Muslim who enters Europe just emboldens and strengthens the far-right.



can you summarise what stupid policies am I advocating? What box are you trying to put me in? Who is in "his like"?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
can you summarise what stupid policies am I advocating? What box are you trying to put me in? Who is in "his like"?



:popcorn:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Prisoner#1]
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qman said:
What a bunch of bullshit, the burden isn't upon the native population, the burden is upon the people that come into another culture.




The people are fleeing for their lives.
Together it is the worlds responsibility to save their lives.

When it comes to coexisting, it takes two to tango, hence the word coexisting.

qman said:
The reason why Muslims don't assimilate into EU culture is because of MUSLIMS.






They do assimilate. The majority are.
The others, well lets handle them without collectively punish all Muslims, ok?

qman said:
indians, pakistanis and the majority of africans do well in the US also



Exactly, Muslims assimilate.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
I don't need to back up what I know I've all ready said just to appease you. I know what I've said. Maybe you should look through my posts for you're self and prove me wrong.



The burden of proof is on you. You make the statement and you cannot back it up. I have already tried searching myself and can't find anything.

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:lol: Says a lack of gender imbalance is not a good thing amongst these people, then true to Liberal form, tries to justify it :facepalm:



some of you guys on here really struggle with the idea that exploring and understanding the reasons behind something DOESNT mean you justify it. I did not once justify gender imbalances, what an absurd statement.

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I don't ever recall reading what the EU commissioner stated as reflecting the present. He was clearly talking about the entire situation as a whole.



First of all, i've already provided you twice with statistics from earlier in the crisis that contradict your "60% are economic migrants" quote
Secondly,
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“More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status… more than half, 60 percent,” said Frans Timmerman, vice-president of the European Commission, citing what he said were new, unpublished figures from the EU border agency Frontex.



He also said this..

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There is no proof that bringing back border controls will help to ease the situation in terms of reducing the number of refugees,” Timmerman told NOS. He said it would be a “huge risk” which may result in “enormous economic consequences” and yet will not produce any positive outcome.



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Bubbles85 said:Again, you continually fixate the entire situation on "refugees" when 60% of the people that have come in to the EU illegally, do not qualify to apply for asylum.



No, i have never once pretended it is 100% refugees. it is a refugee crisis and a migrant crisis, it is a crisis.

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It is open door immigration policy that has allowed these people in, which is guided through and through by Liberal ideology. So why do you not agree, that, that is the route cause of this mess? when clearly it is.



I will say again..
allowing people to come is not the root cause of why people are coming. Do you not understand why that doesnt make any sense?
War is the reason why people are coming.


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I never said that immigration is ethnic cleansing, again in Liberal fantasy land, you interpret my words to imply what you wish them to imply, to make my statements seem wrong and yours to seem just.

I said that a type of ethnic cleansing takes place. When immigrants of different cultures and beliefs are allowed to poor in to foreign nations in mass numbers. They take over entire areas, that become inhabited by only there populace. The immigrants move in and the native population moves out. That is ethnic cleaning, whether you like it or not.



Can you show me that this is the case? I can understand where you are coming from but I don't think what you are saying is represenative of what is happening generally. I disagree with all refugees or muslims or whatever being housed all together, ghettoisation does not help integration.

Also the existence of a ghetto in a town is not ethnic cleansing. People move out because they choose to, not because they are forced to.

Many refugees are being housed individually. This is where we come back to the problem of management, failures in management mean destructive things like ghettoisation can form- but smart management can resolve a lot of these issues. There are many Germans individually making organisations to resettle individual refugees among germans. That is very helpful to integration.


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Again this is you living in some type of fairy tale land about what could or should be. Instead of actually looking at the situation for what it is. Its all well and good saying "it takes two, both side should make an effort" but the truth is that doesn't happen.



Why is it a fairy tale to say it happens like this? its true that failures in integration come from one side, the other or both sides.

I am looking at the situation for what it is, but i'm actually trying to think of solutions where as you and others are just headless chickens running around panicking and that helps nothing. It is a crisis, yes. It is being poorly managed in many places? yes. In some places has the management been superb? absolutely.  Economic migrants will be deported more and more as management comes together. The logistical feat of managing this crisis across continents is hard as it is. No one is pretending its easy.

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Again, this is you simply trying to justify why these people set up there own community's, isolated from the rest of the country. 90% of what you say contradicts its self. You say these people can assimilate and integrate, whilst at the same time trying to justify why they dont. It's just idiocy.



UNDERSTANDING REASONS IS NOT JUSTIFYING :facepalm:

Identity is important and so its understandable that one might want to mix with people of a similar background. Identities are evolving things, people merge their cultural identity with the host cultural identity. There are hybrid identities. I am speaking from experience because I grew up between multiple countries.

Integration is a long process. At first when moving to a new country, you might stay in areas familiar to you culturally. Studies show that with greater economic mobility, as people make money they move out of these areas. After time, these communities become more and more intertwined and integrated into society.

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No, what is giving rise to the far right in Europe, is the complete and utter contradictory nature of Liberal ideology. Its astonishing how so much of what Liberals identify with, contradicts its self on so many levels.
Equal right for women and filling the EU with misogynists, who are then defended when they rape is a perfect example of that. This is what is giving rise to the far right.



"filling the EU with misogynists" - do you ever notice how loaded all the language you use is?

No one is defending rapists, Bubbles..

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What the fuck are YOU talking about? Did i state that Germany should be kicked out of the EU? No. Maybe you should read my post again properly. I was referring to Greece. I clearly stated Greece several times.




Apologies, I read it wrongly. My point returns in asking you what you think that would do for the EU to have a cut off Greece being filled by refugees. Concentrating the problem is not helpful, cutting it off and assuming you are insulated from it is delusional.

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Why do you constantly fixate this on refugees? Its getting fucking boring now dude. Its just an easy scape goat for you, to try to justify this entire fucking mess. "Oh the poor refugees" Lets cheer them on and help them in :facepalm:



because its the largest REFUGEE crisis since the second world war?
"oh the poor refugees" - I hope you are never a refugee because you would swallow your words so fucking fast. My father ran refugee camps all over the world, I've worked with refugees and continue to do so. Part of my family were refugees.

why can't i talk about refugees? I have not pretended once that there are rapists, criminals, economic migrants etc coming in too. Refugees will be the ones accepted to stay, the rest can be deported. Refugees who are accepted and break the law can also be deported.
Again.... two words you fail to understand "refugee" and "crisis"

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Refugees as I've stated on several occasions, should be applying for asylum in the first country of safety. Not traveling though countless country's and thousands of miles, just to get to the richest, where the hand outs are plentiful. There motivated by what they believe they will be given and material gain, not safety.



We just go around in circles don't we, Bubbles?
Do you not think it would be harmful if refugees were concentrated in the poorest countries on the periphery of Europe????
Germany (The German Government) accepted refugees because they are the main country in Europe in the best financial position to take refugees. You must be losing it if you think the protocol of asylum at first entry was going to work. Schengen would still be in crisis, people would still not be getting jobs and if they became EU citizens (as is likely) then they could still move to Germany anyway.

I do agree that greater processing/controls should have happened as early as possible after entry of Europe.

You think people just went to Germany for hand outs? They were welcomed for the most part, at least at first, and there is best chance of getting a job, why not go there?
Do you think people should be getting stranded in countries along the way? Where they don't want to stay and they can't get jobs.
Refugees are gona come whether you like it or not. We just need better mechanisms in place to make sure the right people are staying, the wrong people are leaving.

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It makes no difference what you've said. Greece is skating on thin fucking ice. As i said its been nothing but a burden since it joined the EU and it has purposely shipped these people North to try to save its own broke down ass. They should be kicked out of the EU and tough boarder controls should be put in place on its Northern boarder.



The very reason Greece is on thin ice is a good reason not to dump all the refugees on them. Its not going to work. Then you want to seal their borders? that will destroy a lot of economic activity. Greece may just go a lot faster steeply down hill.
What if Greece because a refugee-filled failed state within the borders of geographical Europe? Is that helpful to the EU? Or will everyone just keep putting up fences until Europe becomes smaller and smaller?

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Oh and just for the record, yes i do know some Muslims. I am good friends with a muslim through my work, who came here as a child in the 1950's, when immigration was small and people integrated. He feels exactly them same way i do, regarding the mess of mass migrations, of today. He has even just moved out of an area of the city, that has been over run by modern day mass migrants, to live in a predominately native British area :rockon:



thats good. So you can see that people can integrate well. Yes, like i said earlier, as integration skills and economic mobility increase, people move out of more migranty areas.

No one is disputing that more people means its harder, but that doesnt mean that people can't integrate, it just makes the process a more complicated one.

The fact is that the world is a global place, migration has always been a thing and will continue to forever, with global climate change it is set to even get worse. All countries should just get really good at the integration process.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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Starter said:
I didn't state the left have no education but their lib'tardism is definitely dominated by arts bollocks. So feel up to answering my questions to bigbadwolf, who is not big nor bad but rather a Chihuahua having legged it with his tail between his legs. Perhaps his pal Tipote with his politics degree can chime in.

I will hold my breath. :wink:



chime in on what? most of what you are talking about is unintelligible but perhaps i'm not edumacated enough :shrug:
why did you refer to my degree with italics? are you implying that i dont really have a politics degree? Perhaps you can tell us about your education?

what arts bollocks are you talking about?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
viktor said:
Apparently the Sweden Democrats are the highest polling party in Sweden, at 25%.

The last time I was in Sweden, in 2008, they were seen as fringe neo-Nazis and were polling less than 4%.
the far-right.



25% says the media. The study that shows this is based on interviews with 1500 persons. I would say 25% is bullshit... But yes, there has been a huge rise in support for this party. This party has also changed a lot over the years. It was created by people from racist organizations, but they are no longer tolerating such views within the party.



I think this is an important point.

A lot of these right wing groups all over Europe have been trying to moderate themselves to get a more populist following.
In France, the national front are full of some really hateful xenophobes etc but as a party they know they will be in the margins if they do not moderate at least their language.
This move to get more popular votes, combined with the disenfranchisement caused by all of the West's governments failures in representation has meant that these groups have swelled.
In the end, I don't know if the moderates are moderating the right wing, or whether the right wing are bringing the moderates closer to the right. Probably both to an extent.


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viktor said:
Every extra Muslim who enters Europe just emboldens and strengthens the far-right.



Yes, every time there is increased migration we see an increase in the far right. No one has claimed otherwise?

I will strongly argue that the far right are wrong, in almost every way, and that they are a big problem for society. I don't think we can let to many refugees in because I think that this would create to much violence, not because of violent immigrants, but because of violent far right assholes.

I will continue arguing against the far right, but I still think we need to reduce immigration because we obviously have a lot of people who aren't capable of handling the burden of living next to someone from "another culture".



I agree that the numbers need to be managed much better. If the right management is in place then I think we could still take more but just at a slower rate so we can be sure of who is coming and whether they are entitled to protections as a refugee.
Resettlement needs to become a more accountable process. if people say that they don't want any refugees in their city then fine, many areas will also accept refugees too. If the areas are worked out where they will be accepted and where they wont be, they can be divided amongst these areas.

I agree that it is the violent far-right and not the immigrants that are making this situation so incredibly dangerous right now. Our approach is under threat of violence from our own people.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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Starter said:
Malkuthian said:
Starter said:
I didn't state the left have no education but their lib'tardism is definitely dominated by arts bollocks.



Yes, most artsy people are drawn to the left side.
That's true for both artsy people with arts-degrees and artsy people with "real education".

But that does not mean the left side is dominated by these people, certainly not that its dominated by the art-degree people...



Leftists are mostly arts wankers who have no use to society. Fucking hipsters and other degenerate filth. Okay, you going to have a bash at my questions I posed bigbadwoofie?



Dude, you have a really simplistic view of the world.

The hate in our societies is coming from people like you, not refugees. The hate is against your own people, whether you dehumanise them to degenerate filth or whatever.

BTW in response to a point you said a while ago about PC.
Do you think no one on the left hates political correctness?


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Malkuthian said:
I will strongly argue that the far right are wrong, in almost every way, and that they are a big problem for society. I don't think we can let to many refugees in because I think that this would create to much violence, not because of violent immigrants, but because of violent far right assholes.

I will continue arguing against the far right, but I still think we need to reduce immigration because we obviously have a lot of people who aren't capable of handling the burden of living next to someone from "another culture".



Great post. Fully agree. The far right have just gotten lucky on immigration in that they happen to have been correct on that subject. Fair dues to them. I maintain that the far right is misguided and/or dangerous on most other social or economic issues.

Violent far right arseholes are potentially a very big problem, you don't have to look back far in history to see how big a problem. I fear the day another charismatic populist dictator arises in Europe.

There would be no problem if all people could accept living next to different cultures. But people are not ready for this. Perhaps we will be in 300 years, but not today and not soon. Forcing it is a mistake, and will lead to resentment, which will lead to people voting for far right arseholes.



I agree as well.

More local democracy should take place to assertain which areas are refugee-friendly areas to make resettlement more effective.

I also note the point that much of the right wing support in the UK comes from areas where there aren't really any immigrant populations so i think part of it is fear of the unknown. Many parts of countries have mixed for generations with others and know its not a big deal.

The economic hubs of the world are used to a mixture of people - London, NYC, etc


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Starter said:
Leftists are mostly arts wankers who have no use to society. Fucking hipsters and other degenerate filth. Okay, you going to have a bash at my questions I posed bigbadwoofie?



Garbage like this doesn't deserve to be legitimized with a response. You are talking to a liberal who is also a metal worker. I've done hard labor my entire life. Left-wing politics are the politics of labor. You don't understand that, or much anything else. Unionization, the 40 hour workweek, minimum wages, overtime pay, and labor laws are LEFTIST policies on behalf of labor.

This idea that conservatives are all hard-working business owners, and liberals are all welfare check cashing artsy fartsy moochers with fancy pants degrees... It's cartoonish. Grow the fuck up.


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