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Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella
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On Sunday morning, Montrealers jogging or walking their dogs through Wilfrid Laurier Park found a startling surprise: The Queen Isabella memorial, a local landmark since the late 1950s, had been bloodied, paper-crowned, and re-branded. "Guilty of crimes against humanity," read a tag on her back.

Nearby, a makeshift plaque outlined these crimes, in French:
"Genocide of 80 million Latin American Indigenous people; annihilation of 1 million Taïnos; generalization of slavery in Spanish America and the systematic destruction of pre-colombian cultures; expulsion of 200,000 Spanish Jews along with forced conversion, rapes, and systematic massacres; ethnic cleansing of Grenada and the expulsion of its 300,000 Muslims; and, finally, the creation and application of the Spanish Inquisition."

Quick history lesson: Queen Isabella of Spain—a.k.a. Isabella I of Castile—is the woman who funded Christopher Columbus's exploration of the Americas. She was also a devout Catholic famous for her occasionally murderous intolerance of Jews and Moors.

The person behind the Carrie-ing of the statue (who wished to remain anonymous) spoke to VICE to explain their actions. Here's what they had to say.

VICE: Why this statue?
Artist: It's a very shocking statue to me.
In today's world, she's a criminal against humanity. She's known to be one of the most harsh and cruel rulers of Europe. She created, with her husband, the Spanish Inquisition, which was a very violent way of oppressing everyone who disagreed with the monarchs and the Church. She is known to have killed and expelled all the Jews of Spain in a very very very violent manner, and is also the one who sponsored Christopher Columbus to do his famous discoveries.

After that, everything that was done by Christopher Columbus was done in her name.
She had all the power and drove everything she did through her vision of her faith and was not a kind ruler. She has a violent history and a ton of blood on her hands and I find it extremely shocking in North America that in we would honor such a woman, especially given the values we're trying to promote as Canadians. When we see Justin Trudeau get his relationship with First Nations to better grounds, you have the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, we have all these things that we're trying to do, understanding there's a very painful past, and then at the same time we have a bust of this bitch? Makes no sense to me.

It's adding insult to injury. We can't undo what is done, history is what it is, but we don't need to have this statue here—there are better women to honor. She's not a woman to honor, she's not one to represent women, she's not one to speak for our values.

One of my friends said something funny, he said it's almost like having a statue of Hitler in Israel. If I was native I would be so shocked to see her in this park.

I'd personally never even heard of this statue. Who put it up?
It was offered in 1958 by the Embassy of Spain to the City of Montreal. But honestly, thank you but no thank you Spain, this is not what we want to keep from you. It's like if history went a different way and Germany went to Poland and offered them a bust of Hitler.

Most people don't know who she is. People know Christopher Columbus a little bit but she's the one who sent [him], who paid for this whole thing. And she created the Spanish Inquisition.

That's why I did something big, because I wanted the attention to be, like, "Someone is really angry."

So what you do to the statue, exactly?
We added a bloody crown, covered it with blood. The plaque is a list of what I blame her for.

Because history is what it is, we can't change it, it is what it is, and it's not about discussing that.

But why do this, instead of say, talking about it?
Because nobody wants to hear this, they don't want to hear about those history things—it bothers them. Only now are people starting to understand that Christopher Columbus was not just a discoverer and adventurer, there was more than that and he had a huge responsibility when it comes to how [Indigenous peoples] were treated.

But I think we need to understand the whole system that was behind him, and that was her. And in order to create a proper society with proper values, we have to debunk certain ghosts, certain skeletons, and make sure that we don't honor them. Again, we can't change them, but we should honor another woman, not her.

http://www.vice.com/read/we-spoke-to-the-artist-who-doused-a-montreal-statue-in-blood





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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott] * 2
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if we forget history we are bound to repeat it.


nothing wrong with the truth.


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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Yeah, Quebecers and monarchy don't mix at all.


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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ReposadoXochipilli said:
if we forget history we are bound to repeat it.


nothing wrong with the truth.



There's nothing wrong with studying history, but that's not what's happening today, they are trying to demonize people.

People need to grow up and recognize we live in a different world today, stop whining about the past and learn from it.

There isn't one group of people that haven't suffered horrible atrocities in the past, some just keep using it as an excuse for their present day condition.

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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
if we forget history we are bound to repeat it.


nothing wrong with the truth.



There's nothing wrong with studying history, but that's not what's happening today, they are trying to demonize people.

People need to grow up and recognize we live in a different world today, stop whining about the past and learn from it.

There isn't one group of people that haven't suffered horrible atrocities in the past, some just keep using it as an excuse for their present day condition.



The artist wasn't saying he blamed her for anything in todays world. In fact, hes saying just the opposite (according to the interview). He's saying we need to keep as keen a focus on the past as the future if we are to ever make progress


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott]
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good statement


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: qman]
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qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
if we forget history we are bound to repeat it.


nothing wrong with the truth.



There's nothing wrong with studying history, but that's not what's happening today, they are trying to demonize people.

People need to grow up and recognize we live in a different world today, stop whining about the past and learn from it.

There isn't one group of people that haven't suffered horrible atrocities in the past, some just keep using it as an excuse for their present day condition.




i feel it is more a balance to the revisionist versions of history being taught to the younger generations. i know in japan they are dealing with a lot of ww2 stuff being left out, in texas they want to skip over a lot of civil war stuff and teach creationism in public schools :ffffuuu:

i think it was in Haiti where they cut off the foot of christopher columbus's statue because he did that to everyone who didn't convert while raping, enslaving, and flat of committing genocide. 

i think we all know that was just a jab at black people and their calls for reparations (which i don't support) from you though.


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
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Again, there's nothing wrong with studying history, but turning it into a demonizing circus for present day political gain is pathetic.

Social progress has been made, constantly placing moral judgment on the past accomplishes very little in the present day.

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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott]
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For the record, fuck Quebec.



And most of Canada for that matter

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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Again, there's nothing wrong with studying history, but turning it into a demonizing circus for present day political gain is pathetic.

Social progress has been made, constantly placing moral judgment on the past accomplishes very little in the present day.



It accomplishes quite a bit actually. Do you realize how many times the behavior of the Nazi's has changed the direction of modern politics? I think if it weren't for them we would have a lot more of our freedoms taken away than we have. The parallels between how the Nazis portrayed the world (especially Poland and the jews) and how we currently portray "terrorists" are frighteningly similar. But without constant reminders of how taking away freedoms affects everyone in the long term, we are doomed to make the same mistakes over and over. You can try to do it intellectually all you want, but as this 'artist' said (if you want to call him that), nobody gives a fuck about history. You've got to force it home in a shocking way.

Right now in America we are having big issues with refugees, and everywhere you see people making references to us putting the Japanese in internment camps, keeping out the Irish and the Italians in the 1800s, etc. Its one thing to say "You know, letting people into our country isn't that big of a deal."

But if you were to, say, print out a big map of Little Italy and put a giant X on it that says "None of these people or their culture would exist today if we hadn't let in immigrants hundreds of years ago" and you stapled it to city hall, it makes a statement. Sure there are plenty of people like you who don't give a fuck, but there are many more who might be on the fence about it and say "You know, my great grandfather was an Italian immigrant and he made his fortune in this country and gave hundreds of people jobs, maybe letting in a few people wouldn't be so bad."


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott]
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It is a difficult pill to swallow, that of the awareness of past conquest and exploration being driven by greed and carried out with inhumanity. The accounts (perhaps idealized) are generally of conquistadors being greeted by welcoming indigenous people. These qualities were not perceived as virtue but rather as weakness and were thus brutally exploited and destroyed. I am curious to know what world would have been possible if the tyrannical, disillusioned, self-exalted bigots of the European ruling class weren't in power. What conditions created the inception of the Christian-monarchy power trip that we are still feeling today?

Do dominating cultures like the one that ran through native cultures have a justification in the philosophy of natural selection and basic cultural survival or is that a weak argument that goes against basic humanity?


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott]
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From Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti:



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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott]
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Why does Canada have a statue of a a Spanish queen?


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott]
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And she inadvertently made Spain look less evil during the 30s and 40s because she's already killed or expelled almost all of the Jews, so there were almost none left for Franco to have to kill or hand over to Hitler. She was a pretty shit person. Fuck her statue.


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: WScott]
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WScott said:
It is a difficult pill to swallow, that of the awareness of past conquest and exploration being driven by greed and carried out with inhumanity. The accounts (perhaps idealized) are generally of conquistadors being greeted by welcoming indigenous people. These qualities were not perceived as virtue but rather as weakness and were thus brutally exploited and destroyed. I am curious to know what world would have been possible if the tyrannical, disillusioned, self-exalted bigots of the European ruling class weren't in power. What conditions created the inception of the Christian-monarchy power trip that we are still feeling today?

Do dominating cultures like the one that ran through native cultures have a justification in the philosophy of natural selection and basic cultural survival or is that a weak argument that goes against basic humanity?



"I am curious to know what world would have been possible if...the European ruling class weren't in power"

North America would probably would have remained the same primitive land it had always been in the past. Instead of demonizing the people that build this advanced culture that you benefit from everyday of your life, you should be thanking them!

You're a very bitter person with no appreciation for European culture and values, the better culture won the war and kept the land, this is how humanity works and the fact that you find it so troubling tells me you don't understand how the world truly works.

Why was European culture more advanced?  That's hard to say.  Why was European culture more ambitious when it came to conquering land?  Because they had the ability to do it, that doesn't make them immoral.

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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: qman]
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Apologies, the quote feature seems to be getting dysfunctional because of the server changes.

qman said:

"North America would probably would have remained the same primitive land it had always been in the past. Instead of demonizing the people that build this advanced culture that you benefit from everyday of your life, you should be thanking them!"

North America wasn't in a perennially unaltered state of primitive mayhem before Europeans entered the scene. Taking account of when humans reached the Americas and the resources they had to work with, I don't think there is a single solid argument that Europeans succeeded in their conquest because they were culturally superior. There definitely isn't any remotely historical argument that can claim that societies in America weren't constantly developing and changing.

"You're a very bitter person with no appreciation for European culture and values, the better culture won the war and kept the land, this is how humanity works and the fact that you find it so troubling tells me you don't understand how the world truly works."

It has become very fashionable to shit on European culture and values in recent years, and this is certainly no good thing, since the (at least theoretical) significance and freedom of individual persons has come from European values more than any other. On the other hand, claiming that a "better culture" will always win and that is how humanity works seems pretty suspect. If the Nazis had won the second world war, they would not be better than any culture they chanced to eradicate. Nor did Europeans achieve the conquest of America by way of cultural superiority.

The most technologically advanced and militarily aggressive of cultures will tend to expand and multiply at the expense of other societies. Morality doesn't come into it in the slightest. You win because you have the upper hand, whether or not you or anyone from your own culture was responsible for the innovations or conditions that make this the case.

Flawed as it is, the book Guns, Germs and Steel gives a pretty solid account of why the conquest of the Americas (amongst other places) was accomplished. It has literally nothing to do with culturally or racially conferred superiority.


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: EllisDSox]
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I find it amazing how fucked up this cultures history is


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
Why does Canada have a statue of a a Spanish queen?



There are statues of Confederate generals in Montreal as well.


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: koods]
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The French got you guys good with the Statue of Liberty, too. It's a depiction of a well known prostitute.


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Re: Montreal Statue in Blood in Protest of Queen Isabella [Re: EllisDSox]
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There is no shame being a prostitute


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