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Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month * 1
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Well. Here's an idea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/finland/12035946/Finland-is-considering-giving-every-citizen-800-a-month.html
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Proposals for a national basic income are intended to simplify the social security system and encourage more unemployed people to take on temporary work

Authorities in Finland are considering giving every citizen a tax-free payout of €800 (£576) each month.

Under proposals being draw up by the Finnish Social Insurance Institution (Kela), this national basic income would replace all other benefit payments, and would be paid to all adults regardless of whether or not they receive any other income.

Unemployment in Finland is currently at record levels, and the basic income is intended to encourage more people back to work. At present, many unemployed people would be worse off if they took on low-paid temporary jobs due to loss of welfare payments.

More than 10 per cent of Finland's workforce is currently unemployed, rising to 22.7 per cent among younger workers.

According to research commissioned by Kela, close to 69 per cent of the Finnish population favours the idea of a national basic income.

Detractors caution that a basic income would remove people's incentive to work and lead to higher unemployment. Those in favour point to previous experiments where a basic income has been successfully trialed.

The Canadian town of Dauphin experimented with a basic income guarantee in the 1970s and the results - both social and economic - were largely positive.

Finnish Prime Minister Juha Sipilä supports the idea, saying: “For me, a basic income means simplifying the social security system.”

The basic income will cost Finland roughly €46.7 billion per year if fully implemented. Kela's proposals are due to be submitted in November 2016.

The Dutch city of Utrecht is also planning to introduce a basic income, albeit solely for welfare recipients. From next month more than 250 unemployed residents of the city will be given a monthly sum to live on, with researchers monitoring the outcome to determine what effect it has on employment.

Switzerland is also considering introducing a national basic income. In September the Swiss parliament voted, with a large majority, for a motion calling on the Swiss people to reject the Popular Initiative for Unconditional Basic Income. However, a nationwide referendum on the issue is slated for 2016 and, according to a recent online poll, 49% of the Swiss would currently vote in favour of its introduction.



I have a feeling this will create some discussion among the politically inclined. Universal basic income. How do you like that one?


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Patlal]
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:no:


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Patlal]
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It should be noted that this income is supposed to replace welfare cheques, so it looks generous, but it should be less of a burden than the welfare cheques. In a country where unemployment isn't as high, this move may not be as prudent or necessary as it seems to be for Finland right now. So, for example, such a program might be more expensive in a country like the U.S. where unemployment is so low and welfare cheques so shit.


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: HardTrippin]
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Yes good plan


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: HardTrippin]
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HardTrippin said:
It should be noted that this income is supposed to replace welfare cheques, so it looks generous, but it should be less of a burden than the welfare cheques. In a country where unemployment isn't as high, this move may not be as prudent or necessary as it seems to be for Finland right now. So, for example, such a program might be more expensive in a country like the U.S. where unemployment is so low and welfare cheques so shit.



Finaland is solid. Northern European countries are solid. They are once again making themselves the envy of the world.


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Patlal]
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Looks interesting, looking forward to see the results of the pilot program

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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
HardTrippin said:
It should be noted that this income is supposed to replace welfare cheques, so it looks generous, but it should be less of a burden than the welfare cheques. In a country where unemployment isn't as high, this move may not be as prudent or necessary as it seems to be for Finland right now. So, for example, such a program might be more expensive in a country like the U.S. where unemployment is so low and welfare cheques so shit.



Finaland is solid. Northern European countries are solid. They are once again making themselves the envy of the world.



I agree with you. I'm hoping to do my M.A. in Sweden so I can get a taste of a well-run society.


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: HardTrippin]
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Finland isn't giving anybody anything


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
Finland isn't giving anybody anything



Not with that attitude


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Patlal]
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What does Finland have to give away?


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
What does Finland have to give away?



Free money apparently


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Patlal]
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Unicorns?


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: zappaisgod]
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Kinda new here, and was going to post something introductory, but hell with it I'll dive right in to this one. That money will have to come from taxation, it's no different than Hillary and Bernie vowing to "make the wealthy pay" for everything. Not to mention, if you have a government guaranteed income whether you work or not, what's the point in being responsible and productive? Hell, I'm an alcoholic that hasn't drank in 17 months because I fuck everything up when I do, so best not to start again, but if I was guaranteed a check every month regardless, fuck it, why not just go back to staying hammered 24/7?


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: zappaisgod] * 7
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zappaisgod said:
Finland isn't giving anybody anything




Its all coming from your pocket zappa.. Somehow Finland has connected their socialist government program directly to your tax money.


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
zappaisgod said:
Finland isn't giving anybody anything




Its all coming from your pocket zappa.. Somehow Finland has connected their socialist government program directly to your tax money.



LOL


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Outlaw308]
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€550 is not much tho, I think you'd barerly survive

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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Patlal]
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That's just going to come out of zappa's pocket.


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Outlaw308] * 3
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Outlaw308 said:
Kinda new here, and was going to post something introductory, but hell with it I'll dive right in to this one. That money will have to come from taxation, it's no different than Hillary and Bernie vowing to "make the wealthy pay" for everything. Not to mention, if you have a government guaranteed income whether you work or not, what's the point in being responsible and productive? Hell, I'm an alcoholic that hasn't drank in 17 months because I fuck everything up when I do, so best not to start again, but if I was guaranteed a check every month regardless, fuck it, why not just go back to staying hammered 24/7?



and yet giving taxpayer money to the banks is a good practice? Who exactly is society for? Citizens, or an insidious tumor of uber rich bankers and CEOs?


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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Asante]
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Pretty interesting idea. I just don't know if all of society would be like, nah I'm not working anymore.

I'd make it so you have to claim the income though. Like fill some forms or something not just make it automatic because then less people will use it, but those who need it will get it still.

Also I don't know how far that amount takes you in Finland, but here I could easily live off that. I think it's a little better than minimum wage.

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Re: Finland is considering giving every citizen $867 a month [Re: Outlaw308]
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Doing nothing all day is pretty depressing. Any worthwhile people would still find work or volunteer or be productive in some less constrained way if money were not a factor.
If people had a society they saw as fair and worth preserving, more people would be driven to work to preserve it. The kind of attitude you give as an example occurs in hopeless individuals who see no opportunity to better themselves or their society.
Besides, its a tiny sum of money anyone who wanted a decent standard of living would still need to work that money would cover very little


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