hostileuniverse said:

Who fucking cares if they meet the criteria? The Boston bombers were refugees too, remember how well that worked out?

That aside, let the rich Arab nations take them, it's much closer and much cheaper, they will less hardship acclimating to a Muslim culture...

But then, we don't get more terrorists here, so maybe we should take them, go Obama!

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starfire_xes said:

...Sorry, it looks like Ted Cruz is right.  Again.

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An impressive appellant lawyer has to be "right".  Such is the reason the Justices honored him with request to argue a case as a friend of the Court (Supreme Court).

Le_Canard said:

You know, there are already 725,000 refugees already here coming from such places as Afghanistan and Iraq. And you know how many have been found to be terrorists? Three.

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efugees are refugees, the US checks are some of the most, if not the most, stringent in the world. hostile universe is just an islamophobe.

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1)no one has still yet showed how exactly these "refugees" are being vetted,

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i am no expert but from what i understand they come on the condition that they look for work, they have to pay back their plane tickets etc etc
50% are kids, 25% are adults over 60, i think less than 3% are single men of combat age. Refugees are often referred via UNHRC and it goes through various non profits.
there are security screenings from many agencies, lots of interviews. biographical claims are researched by DoD and FBI against internal and shared databases. fingerprints. refugees are ranked according to vulnerability - single mothers, those that were tortured, LGBT, disabled, unaccompanied children etc

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Fact: Since the conflict in Syria began in Fiscal Year 2011, the United States has admitted just over 2,200 Syrian refugees. In Fiscal Year 2016, the Administration remains committed to its goal of resettling at least 10,000 Syrian refugees in the United States.

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Myth: Syrian refugees receive insufficient security vetting.

Fact: All refugees of all nationalities considered for admission to the United States undergo a rigorous security screening involving multiple federal intelligence, security and law enforcement agencies, such as the National Counterterrorism Center, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Departments of Homeland Security, State and Defense, in order to ensure that those admitted are not known to pose a threat to our country. The safeguards include biometric (fingerprint) and biographic checks, and an interview by specially trained DHS officers who scrutinize the applicant’s explanation of individual circumstances to ensure the applicant is a bona fide refugee and is not known to present any security concerns to the United States. Mindful of the particular conditions of the Syria crisis, Syrian refugees go through an enhanced level of review.

*All data current as of November 18, 2015. source - here

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If a potential terrorist is determined to enter America to do harm, there are easier and faster ways to get there than by going through the complex refugee resettlement process. Of the almost 750,000 refugees who have been admitted to America since 9/11, only two Iraqis have arrested on terrorist charges; they had not planned an attack in America, but aided al-Qaeda at home. Syrians in America have fared better than other groups of refugees, integrating quickly and finding work. Some have done very well indeed: the father of Steve Jobs, the ground-breaking innovator and founder of Apple, was a refugee from Syria. And the mother of Jerry Seinfeld, the comedian, is of Jewish Syrian descent. source - here

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2) we are trillions of dollars in debt with a shitty labor market, massive poverty and 50,000 homeless vets we refuse to take care of, tell me again why we need to import MORE poor people???

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An impressive appellant lawyer has to be "right".  Such is the reason the Justices honored him with request to argue a case as a friend of the Court (Supreme Court)

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yeh because when are lawyers and career politicians ever wrong?


its right that states can't reject refugees, once they have been vetted it is safe, it is against US law to discriminate against them. rightly so.

was it cruz or bush that wanted a "christian test". Are you christian? yes.... 

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In the 14 years since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, nearly twice as many people have been killed in the United States by white supremacists and anti-government radicals than by Muslim jihadis, according to a new study.

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3)name calling? you must be a liberal

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Le_Canard said:

You know, there are already 725,000 refugees already here coming from such places as Afghanistan and Iraq. And you know how many have been found to be terrorists? Three.

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qman said:

Le_Canard said:

You know, there are already 725,000 refugees already here coming from such places as Afghanistan and Iraq. And you know how many have been found to be terrorists? Three.

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You think the only problem the refugees bring in is terrorism?  Minus the terrorism these refugees are a huge social and financial burden for the countries bring them in, that's a good enough reason to stop the flow.

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Tipote said:

We have settled the questions brought up in the thread title..

do they qualify for refuge?..

..Yes

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i think you are grasping at straws. but please elaborate what you mean when you say huge social and financial burden

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hostileuniverse said:

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i think you are grasping at straws. but please elaborate what you mean when you say huge social and financial burden

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1) they do not assimilate well into our culture, they breed hatred and racism for the very countries that have welcomed them, see the "no go" zones in Europe and the UK

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ChemicalSpark said:

THANK YOU HostileUniverse!!!  You sir, are actually intelligent and not a brainwashed, liberal waste of space like most Americans (humans in general) now days...

People need to realize that the government isn't your friend, they answer only to the 1%.

Do some research on RH negative blood, Hyperborea, and hitler...  You should find that the Reich wasn't as evil as the government wants you to believe.. They we're just the only real threat to the evil bastards that own this planet.

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3)name calling? you must be a liberal

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you dont get it?

if "islamophobe" is calling you names, then why straight after call me "liberal"?

Its not name calling. If i say.. look there is a chair, i am not calling the chair a name, i am using a word that describes what it is. you seem to me to be very phobic to islam.

name calling would be if i called you an asshole or a butt friend or whatever you called me.

good one!

Tipote said:

qman said:

Le_Canard said:

You know, there are already 725,000 refugees already here coming from such places as Afghanistan and Iraq. And you know how many have been found to be terrorists? Three.

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You think the only problem the refugees bring in is terrorism?  Minus the terrorism these refugees are a huge social and financial burden for the countries bring them in, that's a good enough reason to stop the flow.

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i think you are grasping at straws. but please elaborate what you mean when you say huge social and financial burden.

yes of course there are costs involved but these people are fleeing for their lives and they will recover and contribute. Most refugee resettlment programmes involve the condition that they find a job and pay back their plane ticket etc. as well as contributing to taxes anyway.
these people dont just come to milk the social security system, they have to work and have the motivation to work.
ultimately, it is also the morally right thing to do.

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hostileuniverse said:

let me ask you, how many americans need to die before we start rethinking...

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Tipote said:

the only hatred and racism i see is coming from you, mate. Many syrian muslims look towards the US for hope and would be grateful receiving such kindness and support, in order to contribute back. If you treat them like shit, then yeh maybe they would get a little alienated. They have lived through shit that you could not imagine and all they want is to not be killed or live in fear.

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Only if you're a liberal...

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you are obsessed with these labels aren't you? it doesnt even make any sense, your royal strawiness! Any information you cannot understand or believe - you just dismiss as "LIBERAL!!"

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