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Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp
    #22287008 - 09/25/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

She's 91 and was a teenage radio operator at the camp. It's not like she gassed Jews herself she did what she was ordered to do. Seems excessive to me - M3E 

91-Year-Old Woman Charged With 260,000 Counts of Accessory to Murder

The charges are related to deaths at the Auschwitz concentration camp

German prosecutors have charged a 91-year-old woman who allegedly worked at the Nazis’ Auschwitz camp with 260,000 counts of accessory to murder.

A spokesperson for the prosecutors in Germany’s Schleswig-Holstein state said Monday that the woman is a former radio operator for the camp’s commandant and that she appears fit for trial, according to the BBC.

She is not the only one to have recently faced charges over a supporting role in running the camps. Oskar Groening, known as “the bookkeeper of Auschwitz” who sorted money from prisoners, was convicted of 300,000 counts of accessory to murder in July and sentenced to four years in prison. He still has time to appeal the judgment.

http://time.com/4045628/woman-charged-auchswitz-deaths/


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22287014 - 09/25/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, that's fucked.


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    #22287017 - 09/25/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: my3rdeye] * 3
    #22287020 - 09/25/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I really don't get fucking with these 90+ year old people for what they did back during the war. :shrug: They've already been living their life, punishment would seem a moot point by now. They're just going to die in a few years anyways. It's not as if they're dangerous criminals who need to be locked up for the safety of others. Yeah they might've done some horrible fucking things, and may people may be just in despising them, but you're not accomplishing anything by "bringing them to justice" now. Just leave them be.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: my3rdeye] * 1
    #22287022 - 09/25/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

WWII was a really long time ago.  It's nearing 100 years.  At some point everyone involved will be dead, is it fair to finally just move on at that point or are we always going to be stuck on it?


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Hobozen]
    #22287024 - 09/25/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

260000 counts of accessory to murder. That's gonna be a looooooooooooooooooooooooong trial lol.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Hobozen]
    #22287026 - 09/25/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: abltsandwich] * 2
    #22287045 - 09/25/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It wasn't, WW1's start just turned 100. Time is on a continuam, and we shpuld punish those involved in mass killings probably. Perhaps she isn't the right one to go after


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #22287051 - 09/25/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It was over 70 years ago, that means even the youngest people involved right at the end are either damn near, or are older than 90 years old.

What the hell good is it going to do to lock people up 70 years later, after they've already lived a full life? What kinda message is that sending? That if you contribute to genocide you may spend your very last few years in prison where you'll die of old age after having been free for your entire life? We've kinda missed the window on "justice" having any practical effect. At this point, it's just locking up ancient people who are no danger to society and patting ourselves on the back for having "punished a war criminal".


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22287056 - 09/25/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its upholding justice in the memory of the victims. Is that what you are meant to tell these eoples families? "get over it it happened along time ago" Why shouldnt she sit on trial and be held accountable for her actions. I mean im sure she was totally innocent and jus randomly got chosen outta a hat to be a radio operator for the commandant of fucking auschwitz ffs.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 4
    #22287058 - 09/25/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Justice isn't letting them live on until they're 91 years old before you even arrest them.  That's a mockery of justice.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22287060 - 09/25/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Some people don't think justice matters if it doesn't have a practical purpose. Ot is a mockery, but you take grams of flesh over pounds sometimes


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22287062 - 09/25/15 04:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just don't get the sense in it. If you're gonna seek these people out, why wait this long to do it? If it were truly about justice for the victim's families, why did it wait until almost everyone involved had already died of old age? I don't blame the families of the victims for wanting it even 70 years later, I blame the people pursuing charges though.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 4
    #22287064 - 09/25/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you even realize the danger wtf your saying you fucking ungrateful ingnorant fucks. "yeh it happened a long time ago lets jus sweep it under the rug" people fought an entire world war but yeh lets jus forget about it and move on history wont repeat itself or anything.  We almost lost the goddamn free world ffs:facepalm:


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22287065 - 09/25/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you even realize the danger wtf your saying you fucking ungrateful ingnorant fucks. "yeh it happened a long time ago lets jus sweep it under the rug" people fought an entire world war but yeh lets jus forget about it and move on history wont repeat itself or anything.  We almost lost the goddamn free world ffs:facepalm:



It wasn't that long ago, but he speeks the folly of us young people. It was barely a life time ago.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22287066 - 09/25/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I just don't get the sense in it. If you're gonna seek these people out, why wait this long to do it? If it were truly about justice for the victim's families, why did it wait until almost everyone involved had already died of old age? I don't blame the families of the victims for wanting it even 70 years later, I blame the people pursuing charges though.



ohhh maybe because they were in hiding or protected by bullshit laws


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22287071 - 09/25/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't say forget it happened. I said it's pointless to go trying them for their crimes when they're this damned old. If they even make it through the trial it's nothing short of a miracle. None of them are likely to spend more than a couple of years in prison before they die. You know what a couple of years in prison for a murder is to the victim? I actually know this one, because it happened to me. It's bullshit, infuriating and a slap in the face. "Well at least they spent 2 years in prison" is not anywhere near comforting or healing.
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I just don't get the sense in it. If you're gonna seek these people out, why wait this long to do it? If it were truly about justice for the victim's families, why did it wait until almost everyone involved had already died of old age? I don't blame the families of the victims for wanting it even 70 years later, I blame the people pursuing charges though.



ohhh maybe because they were in hiding or protected by bullshit laws



You honestly believe they couldn't have been found before? Get real. It was probably due to nothing but heel dragging and refusal to put fourth appropriate assets to find them. SOME of the higher up people may have been connected enough to disappear and never be found, but do you think this woman or the guy who got 4 years were really that connected? If the appropriate resources were actually put fourth, they could've been found decades ago, when the trial would've actually made more sense.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22287083 - 09/25/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

well its a matter of principle. I mean alot of people died to put those people on trail and make them face what they have done. A great deal of them slipped the noose and even went on to live fat off ill gotten gains. There are people out there that will pursue these charges until their dying breath. but go ahead and belittle what millions fought and died for.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22287086 - 09/25/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think we need more tourteeous punishments in such cases, but westerners are weak as fuck and wouldn't pull off someone who killed thousands decades ago's fingernails. Just fillet one hand. That is punishent. Prisons fucking stupid unless you are isolating problems away from others. We justneed objective criteria. We can[t ever 'know' anything in the legal world though. It's all so fucking stupid now


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #22287088 - 09/25/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To me, people willing to torture criminals, are merely just criminals themselves, but to pussy to act on it so they get their rocks off by having the state torture for them. All torturers ARE the bad guys to me.


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