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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus] * 3
    #22289240 - 09/25/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know. I would try to flee or just kill myself if that was my only option.




haha, that's all fine and dandy... until you're actually faced with the decision. i highly doubt you would kill yourself in any situation.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: qman]
    #22289252 - 09/25/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No I'm saying if you are participating in a group and you know they are committing genocide than you're basically a murderer. She had a choice and she didn't have to help the Nazi's. She could've fled, became a spy, commit suicide, or try to kill as many Nazi's as she could have before they killed her. She chose to help the Nazi's commit genocide.




Doesn't every soldier who fought in a war and killed people have a "choice" to flee or commit suicide, do really understand how silly that line of reasoning is at the end of the day?

I'm sure the natives and Iraq and Afghanistan think US soldiers committed genocide, should they be pulled out of their nursing homes and be charged with murder in 60 years?  No, because that would be stupid, the same thing as this situation.




Yes, every soldier has a choice. Yeah, the US soldiers are killers too just like most every other army. I think murder is still wrong even when the government says it is ok. I know that isn't a popular opinion, but I think it would be great if they locked up every army in the world if it was possible.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus] * 2
    #22289277 - 09/25/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know. I would try to flee or just kill myself if that was my only option.




haha, that's all fine and dandy... until you're actually faced with the decision. i highly doubt you would kill yourself in any situation.




This is pretty much my point.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: 404]
    #22289284 - 09/25/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know. I would try to flee or just kill myself if that was my only option.




haha, that's all fine and dandy... until you're actually faced with the decision. i highly doubt you would kill yourself in any situation.




Why, people kill themselves  all the time. I've wanted to kill myself for way way way less than that before.  I still feel bad for everyone I've gotten into fist fights with, there is no way I would be able to live with myself being a part of genocide. Yeah, I can't be 100% sure until it happens, I like to think I would find a way out. In reality I actually would never join an army so that probably would never even be an option for me.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus] * 2
    #22289289 - 09/25/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well this girl didn't join the Army either.

She operated a radio

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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus] * 2
    #22289299 - 09/25/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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but I think it would be great if they locked up every army in the world if it was possible.





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  "hi welcome to our recruiting office! we're proud to have you become a fine member of the united states army! :rainbowcloud:"


"NOW GET ON THE FUCKING FLOOR YOU MURDERING PIECE OF HUMAN FILTH YOU'RE OFF TO FUCKING JAIL FOREVER:shitstorm:"

are you fucking kidding me right now?


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus] * 4
    #22289311 - 09/25/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why, people kill themselves  all the time. I've wanted to kill myself for way way way less than that before.  I still feel bad for everyone I've gotten into fist fights with, there is no way I would be able to live with myself being a part of genocide. Yeah, I can't be 100% sure until it happens, I like to think I would find a way out. In reality I actually would never join an army so that probably would never even be an option for me.




By your logic, You're responsible for killing thousands of people. The taxes you paid for in the past went to fund bombs that were dropped on people, you have the blood of many innocent people on your hands.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Salomon]
    #22289328 - 09/25/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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but I think it would be great if they locked up every army in the world if it was possible.





:wutermelon:

  "hi welcome to our recruiting office! we're proud to have you become a fine member of the united states army! :rainbowcloud:"


"NOW GET ON THE FUCKING FLOOR YOU MURDERING PIECE OF HUMAN FILTH YOU'RE OFF TO FUCKING JAIL FOREVER:shitstorm:"

are you fucking kidding me right now?




Are you kidding me? I know it isn't possible, that's why I said "if it was possible..." . It's just a nice idea that there wouldn't be any war. If the army was in imprisoned they wouldn't still be recruiting anyways

She was definitely a Nazi and the radio she was operating was there to help the Nazi's do terrible shit. Do you actually think she was playing music or something?


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Atreyu]
    #22289333 - 09/25/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So no traction with the nazi Les Mis idea?



keep the french out of this:snub:





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Why, people kill themselves  all the time. I've wanted to kill myself for way way way less than that before.  I still feel bad for everyone I've gotten into fist fights with, there is no way I would be able to live with myself being a part of genocide. Yeah, I can't be 100% sure until it happens, I like to think I would find a way out. In reality I actually would never join an army so that probably would never even be an option for me.




By your logic, You're responsible for killing thousands of people. The taxes you paid for in the past went to fund bombs that were dropped on people, you have the blood of many innocent people on your hands.





oh snap, he's got you there, the only way to stay true to your integerity is to flee the country, commit tax fraud for the rest of your life, or kill yourself.

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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22289348 - 09/25/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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She's 91 and was a teenage radio operator at the camp. It's not like she gassed Jews herself she did what she was ordered to do. Seems excessive to me - M3E 

91-Year-Old Woman Charged With 260,000 Counts of Accessory to Murder

The charges are related to deaths at the Auschwitz concentration camp

German prosecutors have charged a 91-year-old woman who allegedly worked at the Nazis’ Auschwitz camp with 260,000 counts of accessory to murder.

A spokesperson for the prosecutors in Germany’s Schleswig-Holstein state said Monday that the woman is a former radio operator for the camp’s commandant and that she appears fit for trial, according to the BBC.

She is not the only one to have recently faced charges over a supporting role in running the camps. Oskar Groening, known as “the bookkeeper of Auschwitz” who sorted money from prisoners, was convicted of 300,000 counts of accessory to murder in July and sentenced to four years in prison. He still has time to appeal the judgment.

http://time.com/4045628/woman-charged-auchswitz-deaths/




FOUR YEARS IN PRISON? THIER CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS A GOD DAMN JOKE! jesus christ this pisses me off.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22289361 - 09/25/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What the hell good is it going to do to lock people up 70 years later, after they've already lived a full life? What kinda message is that sending? That if you contribute to genocide you may spend your very last few years in prison where you'll die of old age after having been free for your entire life? We've kinda missed the window on "justice" having any practical effect. At this point, it's just locking up ancient people who are no danger to society and patting ourselves on the back for having "punished a war criminal".




So what would you consider a good cut-off age for someone who was even remotely involved in the massacre of a quarter of a million people? I think it's sending a good message that if you're "just following orders" to off 250,000+ innocent people that it's NEVER forgotten, no matter how long ago or how old you are.
They were allowed to live all this time as a free person, although while they were 'working' there, people were screaming & yelling about the amount of pain that was inflicted upon these innocent people. Those people didn't get to even live a full life, while these bookkeepers for genocide lived a nice, long, free life all these past decades. I say incarcerate the old geezers...it's a lot more humane than what they allowed to happen on their shift.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #22289375 - 09/25/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Gotta show some compassion. Alot of these kids were mindfucked at a young age and engaged in a war and a lifestyle that is extremely foreign to us. We wern't there, its almost impossible to imagine what the atmosphere was like growing up in.:peace: Unescapable for some im sure.

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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #22289378 - 09/25/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you kidding me? I know it isn't possible, that's why I said "if it was possible..." . It's just a nice idea that there wouldn't be any war. If the army was in imprisoned they wouldn't still be recruiting anyways

She was definitely a Nazi and the radio she was operating was there to help the Nazi's do terrible shit. Do you actually think she was playing music or something?



ok i'll address this in  numbers:


1. no soldiers=/= no war.  war is a product of different ideology/power and resource craving, and is inherent to human kind. this is true for just about every nation/ tribe of humans  ever in all of history on this planet. if you actually thing anger and fighting and disagreement will ever go away with this species, you are delusional as fuck.

2. my recruitment example was merely a  comedic poke at how stupid what you're suggesting is.


3. every citizen of germany under nazi rule was a nazi  just as every american citizen under american rule is an american, that's just political terminology. you can disagree with the powers that be, but if you live there, you're a part of it. it's like after Dday, and the fall of the rich, when average german citizens were forced to walk through the death camps and see the piles of bodies and etc REGARDLESS of whether or not they agreed with the war and genocide.

YES SHE WAS A FUCKING NAZI. nobody here is debating that she was not a nazi.


YES she was relaying orders and not  just "playing music". this was a military death camp, why the fuck would she not be relayiong military orders, some of which very well may have been to kill people.



4. :facepalm:


5. i'm posting way too much in this thread, i think i've made my points clear....


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Atreyu]
    #22289391 - 09/25/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why, people kill themselves  all the time. I've wanted to kill myself for way way way less than that before.  I still feel bad for everyone I've gotten into fist fights with, there is no way I would be able to live with myself being a part of genocide. Yeah, I can't be 100% sure until it happens, I like to think I would find a way out. In reality I actually would never join an army so that probably would never even be an option for me.




By your logic, You're responsible for killing thousands of people. The taxes you paid for in the past went to fund bombs that were dropped on people, you have the blood of many innocent people on your hands.




I know, its not a good feeling. That would be cool if there was a little box you could check if you didn't want your tax money going to the military. Or if you got to choose where all your tax money went.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #22289396 - 09/25/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No I'm saying if you are participating in a group and you know they are committing genocide than you're basically a murderer. She had a choice and she didn't have to help the Nazi's. She could've fled, became a spy, commit suicide, or try to kill as many Nazi's as she could have before they killed her. She chose to help the Nazi's commit genocide.




Doesn't every soldier who fought in a war and killed people have a "choice" to flee or commit suicide, do really understand how silly that line of reasoning is at the end of the day?

I'm sure the natives and Iraq and Afghanistan think US soldiers committed genocide, should they be pulled out of their nursing homes and be charged with murder in 60 years?  No, because that would be stupid, the same thing as this situation.




Yes, every soldier has a choice. Yeah, the US soldiers are killers too just like most every other army. I think murder is still wrong even when the government says it is ok. I know that isn't a popular opinion, but I think it would be great if they locked up every army in the world if it was possible.




"I think murder is still wrong even when the government says it is ok"

Do you think murder is ever justifiable?  Because many of the soldiers that fight in a war and kill the enemy think it's the right thing to do.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #22289406 - 09/25/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ask not "why bother a 91yo", ask how the fuck its possible she got away with it for 70 years.

Imagine someone commits a horrid crime and getting away with it for 70 years before being arrested.


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: qman]
    #22289420 - 09/25/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I really don't want the person whomwants to lock up every army in charge. What an ideolistic view


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: qman]
    #22289426 - 09/25/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I think there are some people that I wouldn't mind being killed. Mostly shitty people who kill other people


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #22289447 - 09/25/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

jail is supposed to reform people otherwise use the death penalty, judgement is done by the god of your choice.  She went to 91 years old without participating in another Nazi camp, she isn't a threat to society, hence anything done to her at this point is out of revenge, and if its out of revenge then your all going to hell.  Plus those Nazi's didn't really have a choice, it was kill or be killed as a traitor.  Only about 5% of American's would choose to die in her situation if it really came down to it so how are they gunna judge her


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Re: Auschwitz: 91-Year-Old Woman Charged as Accessory to 260,000 Deaths at Nazi Camp [Re: Lophosaurus] * 2
    #22289480 - 09/25/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, I think there are some people that I wouldn't mind being killed. Mostly shitty people who kill other people



hnnnghhhhh, pulled back into the thread for this.





by justifying murder in your own head, you become just as bad as the people you wish to be murdered, IE murderers. :wtfsonic:


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