specialpeopleclub said:

[sic] Really, straight people having kids deserve way more scrutiny than some gay couples doing what will have no effect at all.

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I'll agree with this. I can think of at least three families in my immediately circle of friends who have multiple generations of five or more children. One of my old roommates had sixteen nieces and nephews, with more on the way. Sixteen.

koods said:

Dr.Wongburger said:

koods said:

You are obsessed with what goes on in prison. What happens in prison has nothing to do with gay issues in the real world, where people are free to associate with the people the want to associate with. If you are in prison and want to have sex, you're gonna have to have sex with another dude, it has nothing to do with being gay.

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This is where we disagree. I think if none of them were gay and disliked dudes, there would be no male on male sex going on in prisons or any straight person being concerned of going there- freaked out by their life styles within sexual relations. They could just jerk off like any normal person that cant get sex or go without. This is the result of the/their homosexual life styles. If I lived some where, where I could not get laid due to lack of women I would just jerk off like any normal person or would go with out. I would not go out and find another male to have anal or oral sex with. This is common sense. Straight people do not do that. Even if their in prison. It looks and sounds dirty, prison is a perfect example to point it out. Why does this bother you?

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It bothers me because you don't know what up are talking about. You are worse than ignorant, you are ignorant trying to pass yourself off as someone who knows what they are talking about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/04/what-experts-say-about-ben-carsons-turning-gay-in-prison-claim/

Quote:

"The fundamental assumption of the analogy he's using is insane," said Helen Eigenberg, professor of criminal justice at the University of Tennessee, who has been studying sexuality and incarceration for about 25 years. "I don't know of any research that substantiates the [claim] that men go to prison and come out gay. There's no data to support that claim," she said.

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Why don't you read this essay that discusses what prison sexual behavior is about, and how it has nothing in common with sexual behavior in the real world.

http://www.pen.org/nonfiction-essay/prison-sexuality

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Thank you soooo much Kood's for showing some sources and challenging me!
I'm not as stubborn as you think mane! I do have the ability to change views.

I do believe you meant to quote me with this quote right? Within regards to becoming gay in prison?

Dr.Wongburger said:

So then they become gay.

The definition of gay -
Homosexual or arousing homosexual desires

Definition of homosexual -
Sexually attracted to members of your own sex.

They are attracted to that male hand jerking them off so they can pretend in their mind. Same goes with the blow job.

They are attracted to the same sex jerking them off or giving them a blow job, it does not matter if they pretend and imagine a female. It's still a mans hand they are desiring to cause the actions other than their owns. In other words, GAY.

Ahh so do you see it as a possibility that the lifestyle may also turn a person into a transgender- to desire a sex change?

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So they can develop the "transgender" mentality? -

"Often they develop a female persona because they can no longer see themselves as men." Remember I was looking for something to state that in the other thread we were posting in lol.

"Texas prison uses the terms “pitcher” and “catcher.” Those who pitch are considered heterosexuals and, of course, the catchers are all gay. In tact, these pitchers are more attracted to men [catchers are men] than are the catchers who catch only against their will and get no pleasure from it. They only catch out of fear and a need of protection. All pitchers choose to catch. So, who’s gay?"

So the catchers can or are being raped. If they choose not to fight it, that's their choice and maybe its not rape its just them being gay. If they are not gay maybe they should have some dignity and fight for them selves. It's obvious this article is calling the pitchers gay. "In tact, these pitchers are more attracted to men" If they are not gay then its safe to say they are being raped in another way. It's understandable.

"For those who do not succumb to the pressures of prison in homosexual sex acts there is another form of sexual self-expression available which could well be just as destructive in its own way. Most become bored with simple masturbation after a few months then seek more exciting forms of release. For many this takes shape in exhibitionism. It soon becomes a way of life. Individuals spend hours each day stalking female employees, refusing to sleep when any woman is around."

"When you have people who are never getting out of prison they may turn to homosexuality when their need for affection becomes too strong to be denied. Some of these may be homosexual or bisexual to begin with but more often they are what I call “situational homosexuals.” A relationship with their own gender would never have been considered if not for being incarcerated. Once they enter this lifestyle they are forever changed."

Situational homosexuals are still homosexuals. geez homosexuality looks real bad considering they are forever changed.

I'm really not sure how you think this has nothing to do with the real world. This sounds very clear to me -

"This is an addictive expression of sexuality. Texas has passed a law that requires any prisoner who receives three or more disciplinary convictions for exposing themselves to register as sex offenders once they are released from prison. The reason for this is simple: These men find they have developed an uncontrollable compulsion. This fetish has gotten men sent back to prison. In one case he exposed himself to his parole officer on his first visit to her office. Unbelievable, isn’t it? "

That is clear and obvious sexual behavior in relation to the real world. That is not in a prison.

"Relationships of this type are long-lasting and, when one is released, can transcend the prison walls"
More evidence of connection to the real world?

"Few marriages in the free world share the same level of trust."
You know why this is? It's a interesting subject. Because people have for gotten all about Covenants and what they really mean. Now that there is no longer bloodshed people break up in marriages just like its ripping up a contract. Do a study on some blood covenants and you will see the seriousness of entering a marriage. They used to cut a ring around the thumb of a man when he entered covenant with a women. That's where rings originate from, that's why we wear them. Study some African blood covenants. It's interesting stuff.

"Some do so as revenge for being forced into the lifestyle that has brought them to this ending."
Straight people might support homosexuality until forced to deal with it in prisons.

It makes homosexuality look bad and maybe that's why people do not like bringing it up.

Maybe you can expand my mind some more. I do want to understand.

specialpeopleclub said:

Fucking a man in prison doesnt make you 'gay'. These lables are ones you decide on yourself. You can want one thing and settle for another. Who are youto callothers a sexual lable? Can every gay man who fucks a women be labled 'straight'? It do4snt seem to work both ways.
It's 'common sense' untill you havent so much as touched a women besides prison guards for a few years, or decades.
This is all just a mash up of retarded. You know what gets promoted betond anything? Straight, conventional sex. If you care what gender people fuck, you are retarded. If it even gets on your radar apart from who you fuck, you are a cunt. Emenem wasn't making anti gay comments, some people just got stupid about a word. The PC people need to fuck off

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r.lutece said:

Wong, what you seem to have trouble understanding when it comes to these discussions is that the introduction of prison completely changes the context of the topic of homosexuality. You yourself keep saying that these men are turned gay by their presence in prison around other men. That alone implies that choice is removed from the equation. If someone's ability to CHOOSE with what gender they want to have a sexual relationship is removed, then any discussion of their sexuality that follows is rendered moot in the context of the general public.

In prison, there is no such thing as heterosexual or homosexual because there are no other choices. There are those who are physically powerful enough to hurt or harm others that are doing the fucking and there are those who are either incapable or afraid to prevent it from happening. The fact that these bonds are formed is more of an expression of Stockholm Syndrome than anything else.

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Dr.Wongburger said:

specialpeopleclub said:

Fucking a man in prison doesnt make you 'gay'. These lables are ones you decide on yourself. You can want one thing and settle for another. Who are youto callothers a sexual lable? Can every gay man who fucks a women be labled 'straight'? It do4snt seem to work both ways.
It's 'common sense' untill you havent so much as touched a women besides prison guards for a few years, or decades.
This is all just a mash up of retarded. You know what gets promoted betond anything? Straight, conventional sex. If you care what gender people fuck, you are retarded. If it even gets on your radar apart from who you fuck, you are a cunt. Emenem wasn't making anti gay comments, some people just got stupid about a word. The PC people need to fuck off

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Maybe a gay man committed a straight act when fucking a women. Does that make him a straight man while he was fucking? Can this be up for debate? or maybe a bi sexual?

I think you have missed my postings on how I would fight for your rights to do what you want in the privacy of your own homes.

I do not care what gender has sexual relations with other genders. This thread is about the public view of it all.

Homosexuality in prison looks REAL bad to the public.

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specialpeopleclub said:

Dr.Wongburger said:

specialpeopleclub said:

Fucking a man in prison doesnt make you 'gay'. These lables are ones you decide on yourself. You can want one thing and settle for another. Who are youto callothers a sexual lable? Can every gay man who fucks a women be labled 'straight'? It do4snt seem to work both ways.
It's 'common sense' untill you havent so much as touched a women besides prison guards for a few years, or decades.
This is all just a mash up of retarded. You know what gets promoted betond anything? Straight, conventional sex. If you care what gender people fuck, you are retarded. If it even gets on your radar apart from who you fuck, you are a cunt. Emenem wasn't making anti gay comments, some people just got stupid about a word. The PC people need to fuck off

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Maybe a gay man committed a straight act when fucking a women. Does that make him a straight man while he was fucking? Can this be up for debate? or maybe a bi sexual?

I think you have missed my postings on how I would fight for your rights to do what you want in the privacy of your own homes.

I do not care what gender has sexual relations with other genders. This thread is about the public view of it all.

Homosexuality in prison looks REAL bad to the public.

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Fuck the public
I don't care about gay rights, and merrage equality is very annoying with so much elsegoing on.
Perhaps you are whatever you say you are at thetime, and peolle should stop tryong to make you 'come out' or whatever garbage. I don't have to commit to anything

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Beanhead said:

The amount of explaining you guys need to do

fucking closet fags

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Dr.Wongburger said:

So the catchers can or are being raped. If they choose not to fight it, that's their choice and maybe its not rape its just them being gay. If they are not gay maybe they should have some dignity and fight for them selves.

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Quote:

"When you have people who are never getting out of prison they may turn to homosexuality when their need for affection becomes too strong to be denied. Some of these may be homosexual or bisexual to begin with but more often they are what I call “situational homosexuals.” A relationship with their own gender would never have been considered if not for being incarcerated. Once they enter this lifestyle they are forever changed."

Situational homosexuals are still homosexuals. geez homosexuality looks real bad considering they are forever changed.

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r.lutece said:

Dr.Wongburger said:

So the catchers can or are being raped. If they choose not to fight it, that's their choice and maybe its not rape its just them being gay. If they are not gay maybe they should have some dignity and fight for them selves.

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I just want to start by saying that this is an irresponsible view of rape, particularly in prisons. You can be raped and not fight it and make it to the next day relatively unscathed, or you can fight back and potentially lose your life. Between those choices, you can sure as hell bet inmates will choose not to fight back.

Quote:

"When you have people who are never getting out of prison they may turn to homosexuality when their need for affection becomes too strong to be denied. Some of these may be homosexual or bisexual to begin with but more often they are what I call “situational homosexuals.” A relationship with their own gender would never have been considered if not for being incarcerated. Once they enter this lifestyle they are forever changed."

Situational homosexuals are still homosexuals. geez homosexuality looks real bad considering they are forever changed.

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Despite the quoted text indicating that these individuals may have never considered homosexuality prior to incarceration, you insist that they still must be gay. They may or may not have chosen to participate in the in-prison relationships, but they did NOT choose to be part of a population where being either gay or celibate was their ONLY choice.

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ModestMouse said:

The push for homosexuality is a non harmful form of population control...

Or atleast the tinfoil hatter in me believes that.
I don't really care, it doesn't affect me much
Live and let live.

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Almond Flour said:

Get this through your heads kids.....Folks who identify as gay are NOT a civil rights movement on the same level as being black

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