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Israel uses a lunar calendar, and they base their feast days upon the phases of the moon.  Logic would dictate that because of this fact alone, lunar eclipses will fall on Jewish feast days with some regularity.

In an article published by Answers in Genesis[5] regarding Biltz’s Blood Moon Theory, they commented on the rarity of total lunar eclipses falling on Passover and Sukkot in this way:

“No, it’s really not that unusual. Remember, a lunar eclipse happens only at full moon. We don’t follow a strictly lunar calendar today, but most ancient people, including the Hebrews, did. Their months began with the first appearance of the crescent of the new moon, which is a day or so after our modern definition of a new moon (when the moon and sun are in longitudinal conjunction). Reckoning from this point, fourteen days later, or the fifteenth of the month, always coincides with full moon.”

The article then discusses the frequency in which lunar eclipses fell on Passover and Sukkot, the same feast days as in the Blood Moon theory.

They start off here by mentioning that so far in the 20th century this has happened 37 times:

“…we can say that all 37 of these lunar eclipses coincided with Passover or Sukkot. This is about one-sixth (37/230) of the twentieth-century lunar eclipses, which is what we would expect because Passover and Sukkot happen in two of the 12 months. The relatively high frequency is a result of definition of the fifteenth day of the month on a lunar calendar. Therefore, again, the coincidence of lunar eclipses with these two observances is more common than Biltz realizes.”

So, do you understand what they’re saying?

They’re saying that lunar eclipses are so common on these particular Jewish holidays that it’s occurred 37 times just in the 20th century. They are so common that Biltz and Hagee have had to essentially say, “Okay, yeah, eclipses on these Jewish holidays do happen all the time, but how about two eclipses within two years of one another? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about four eclipses within two years of each other? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about we throw two of those away, and only look at the other three, and twist those a bit, and then we’ll have something to write a book about?”

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moonrockmushy said:

Well this is what my source says:

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Israel uses a lunar calendar, and they base their feast days upon the phases of the moon.  Logic would dictate that because of this fact alone, lunar eclipses will fall on Jewish feast days with some regularity.

In an article published by Answers in Genesis[5] regarding Biltz’s Blood Moon Theory, they commented on the rarity of total lunar eclipses falling on Passover and Sukkot in this way:

“No, it’s really not that unusual. Remember, a lunar eclipse happens only at full moon. We don’t follow a strictly lunar calendar today, but most ancient people, including the Hebrews, did. Their months began with the first appearance of the crescent of the new moon, which is a day or so after our modern definition of a new moon (when the moon and sun are in longitudinal conjunction). Reckoning from this point, fourteen days later, or the fifteenth of the month, always coincides with full moon.”

The article then discusses the frequency in which lunar eclipses fell on Passover and Sukkot, the same feast days as in the Blood Moon theory.

They start off here by mentioning that so far in the 20th century this has happened 37 times:

“…we can say that all 37 of these lunar eclipses coincided with Passover or Sukkot. This is about one-sixth (37/230) of the twentieth-century lunar eclipses, which is what we would expect because Passover and Sukkot happen in two of the 12 months. The relatively high frequency is a result of definition of the fifteenth day of the month on a lunar calendar. Therefore, again, the coincidence of lunar eclipses with these two observances is more common than Biltz realizes.”

So, do you understand what they’re saying?

They’re saying that lunar eclipses are so common on these particular Jewish holidays that it’s occurred 37 times just in the 20th century. They are so common that Biltz and Hagee have had to essentially say, “Okay, yeah, eclipses on these Jewish holidays do happen all the time, but how about two eclipses within two years of one another? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about four eclipses within two years of each other? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about we throw two of those away, and only look at the other three, and twist those a bit, and then we’ll have something to write a book about?”

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http://bibleprophecytalk.com/bpt-blood-moon-theory-debunked-and-more/

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moonrockmushy said:

There's been 54 in the past 2000 years, and some are near to significant events.  To me that is clearly a coincidence, and not really that amazing in of itself.  My problem with what I read from your source is stating that this is the fiddlings of a god.  If it is, it's a sloppy god.

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Stonehenge said:

Maybe this time it means the jews will overreach and lose back their stolen land?

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AddyZomeD said:

I might trip one night during the blood moon
maybe

Gonna be cool regardless
space
planets
that shit blows my mind

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Dr.Wongburger said:

moonrockmushy said:

There's been 54 in the past 2000 years, and some are near to significant events.  To me that is clearly a coincidence, and not really that amazing in of itself.  My problem with what I read from your source is stating that this is the fiddlings of a god.  If it is, it's a sloppy god.

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The idea of subject matter is not to convince any one of a religion.

Within these thoughts, the article posted by OP claims there is biblical significance to the idea of "This could be the end of the world" within the involvements of the red moons, rather based from scripture or religious claims. With the particular subject I'm not sure what basis you would have to comment on such sorts other than religious or biblical evidence, unless there is some type of scientific explanation for why the occurrences of the red moons would mean the end of the world. Thus my reason for turning to religious sources. I have yet to see the scriptures that claim the happenings of the red moons means the end of the world. Don't get me wrong.. I did not say its not there... I just doubt it.

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moonrockmushy said:

Dr.Wongburger said:

moonrockmushy said:

There's been 54 in the past 2000 years, and some are near to significant events.  To me that is clearly a coincidence, and not really that amazing in of itself.  My problem with what I read from your source is stating that this is the fiddlings of a god.  If it is, it's a sloppy god.

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The idea of subject matter is not to convince any one of a religion.

Within these thoughts, the article posted by OP claims there is biblical significance to the idea of "This could be the end of the world" within the involvements of the red moons, rather based from scripture or religious claims. With the particular subject I'm not sure what basis you would have to comment on such sorts other than religious or biblical evidence, unless there is some type of scientific explanation for why the occurrences of the red moons would mean the end of the world. Thus my reason for turning to religious sources. I have yet to see the scriptures that claim the happenings of the red moons means the end of the world. Don't get me wrong.. I did not say its not there... I just doubt it.

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If you watched the video or read the transcript that I linked, you would see that my source is also religious.

I would like to know what doesn't indicate that the end is near to people who are already convinced that this is inevitable.  The only way to see this as validation of scripture is to be very selective with what scriptures you choose, and what events you choose to tie to them.  Pretty much anything could be proven like this.

It sounds to me like you're leaning towards this event having some supernatural significance, but you're hedging your bets and saying, maybe it's the end of the world, maybe it's significant in another way.  I don't see how that helps anyone though.

I'm sure things will happen on the blood moon, things always are happening.  I'm sure that the people who claim it is the end of the world will just roll over and pick another date in the not-too-distant future to feed to people looking for answers, despite the fact that such people have been proven wrong since the dawn of civilization.

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According to many Bible believers, the 500 year pattern of tetrads
overlapping with Jewish Festivals means that there is great significance to
the 2014-2015 period we now live in. The last three examples demonstrate
a pattern of Jewish persecution followed by miraculous intervention where
God rescues Israel from danger and leads the Jewish people to safety and
vibrancy.
The Jewish people today are confronted with genocidal threats from a
nuclear Iran, brutal terrorism from Islamic Jihadists, and isolation from the
liberal, western world. The pattern of persecution and danger is there, but
will the pattern continue and will we be blessed to see God’s miraculous
intervention and restoration of Israel once again?

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“The concurrence and rarity of this natural event, together with the
times in which we live, indicates the finger of God,”

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moonrockmushy said:

Read page 10 of your source and tell me that is not referring to an apocalypse:

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According to many Bible believers, the 500 year pattern of tetrads
overlapping with Jewish Festivals means that there is great significance to
the 2014-2015 period we now live in. The last three examples demonstrate
a pattern of Jewish persecution followed by miraculous intervention where
God rescues Israel from danger and leads the Jewish people to safety and
vibrancy.
The Jewish people today are confronted with genocidal threats from a
nuclear Iran, brutal terrorism from Islamic Jihadists, and isolation from the
liberal, western world. The pattern of persecution and danger is there, but
will the pattern continue and will we be blessed to see God’s miraculous
intervention and restoration of Israel once again?

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You do know what the restoration of Israel means, right?

My main problem is that you grouped the whole finger of God thing under the "facts" section in your first post.

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“The concurrence and rarity of this natural event, together with the
times in which we live, indicates the finger of God,”

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I thought that was suspicious, and I'm definitely under the impression like you're looking for something to be supernatural here, but maybe I am reading into what you are saying too much.

To be honest I'm not sure what your point is either.  The source you are using draws on the same exact information and misconceptions as Blitz/Hagee, it is just as unscientific and biased.  Actually it seems like they are unfairly taking credit for Blitz/Hagee's work, as dubious as that work might be, or perhaps it is the other way around.

Rare is a relative term.  Plenty of things are rare, but that doesn't make them significant.  I think the source I provided did a pretty good job of showing this.  When it comes to astronomy 2000 years is a very short time, and lunar eclipses do happen rather frequently.  When in why this happens is determined by physical laws that we understand well enough, and to use NASA data to support pseudoscience rubs me the wrong way.

The apocalypse is brought up in the OP.  You do not think this is the apocalypse, but I feel like I am getting hints that you're looking for it to be something.  There's no reason to think that it is connected to some divine plan whatsoever, other than some people want it to be so.  All this talk of tetrads and history is befuddling enough that many people will just accept it without actually digging into the information, which is pretty much how pseudoscience thrives.

I feel like the whole  {astronomical event X} means {prophecy Y}  should automatically set off people's BS detectors, but like I said some people are eager for this and will ignore reason in favor of their fantasy of being validated in a divine manner.

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moonrockmushy said:

I find you incredibly cryptic.

Yes the maker of that video is Christian from what I can tell, but that is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.  He manages to dispute these ideas effectively, and shows how this whole "blood-moon" thing is based on twisting of scripture and cherry-picked data.  I appreciated that he made the point that if this is to be viewed as fufilling these specific prophecies, something far greater than a series of eclipses would be happening, perhaps even something actually supernatural. 

When the whole Earth starts shaking, and the sun and stars are blacked out, maybe then we can start expecting the end of the world.  If you're going to take a normal astronomical occurrence that is really unremarkable in terms of how it impacts human life, you might as well start taking cloudy days as a sign that the end is near.

I am not trying to remove religion from the subject, I am disputing that there is a supernatural significance to these events.  Why do some people believe these events are significant?  Because they have been mislead by people like Blitz/Hagee and your source that draws on the same inconsistent data.  This is not in any way a common belief in the Judeo-Christian world to my knowledge, it is the stuff of mystics who thrive on Youtube and Amazon bestseller list.

Lunar eclipses are relatively common, and there is nothing that special about these ones that would give someone who understands astronomy pause to think that there is something more than normal going on here.  It may be that there are more eclipses than the average based on the data we have, and the eclipses might be visible over a large area, but that is bound to happen the way our planetary bodies move and interact with eachother.  Some years there might be very few total lunar eclipses, which to me would make just as much sense to tie prophecies to.

If this is going to be treated as "the finger of God" I think the standards are very low.  Only through ignoring the totality of the Bible passages referred to, and throwing out data that would otherwise be included as associated with this cycle of events can it be made even slightly convincing.

And I know, you do not think this is the apocalypse, but that is what we are talking about here.  If you're just impressed at the science and math behind this, and the fact that it is a relatively rare happening, I would suggest making another thread as this one deals with the apocalyptic prophecies surrounding the event.

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