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The article "What ISIS Really Wants" debunks the notion that ISIS does not represent true Islam, arguing that the group's actions and beliefs are rooted in a sincere commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment and bringing about the apocalypse. The Islamic State's rise to power is likened to a dystopian alternate reality rather than a betrayal of moderate Islam. The group's leaders and supporters explicitly follow the Prophet Muhammad's example and teachings, and their actions, such as crucifixion, slavery, and beheadings, are justified by their interpretation of Islamic law. The article emphasizes that the Islamic State is very Islamic and that their ideology is widely accepted among Sunni Muslims.

This article is excellent: "What ISIS Really Wants".

It basically debunks the portrayal of ISIS as a freak group who don't represent "true" by-the-book Islam, and it's quite long, so I've excerpted some basics relevant to that particular point below:

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What is the Islamic State?

Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers.

... The Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), follows a distinctive variety of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy, and can help the West know its enemy and predict its behavior. Its rise to power is less like the triumph of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (a group whose leaders the Islamic State considers apostates) than like the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.

... We are misled in a second way, by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State’s medieval religious nature.

... In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse.

The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

To take one example: In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)

But Adnani was not merely talking trash. His speech was laced with theological and legal discussion, and his exhortation to attack crops directly echoed orders from Muhammad to leave well water and crops alone—unless the armies of Islam were in a defensive position, in which case Muslims in the lands of kuffar, or infidels, should be unmerciful, and poison away.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail.

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Centuries have passed since the wars of religion ceased in Europe, and since men stopped dying in large numbers because of arcane theological disputes. Hence, perhaps, the incredulity and denial with which Westerners have greeted news of the theology and practices of the Islamic State. Many refuse to believe that this group is as devout as it claims to be, or as backward-looking or apocalyptic as its actions and statements suggest.

Their skepticism is comprehensible. In the past, Westerners who accused Muslims of blindly following ancient scriptures came to deserved grief from academics—notably the late Edward Said—who pointed out that calling Muslims “ancient” was usually just another way to denigrate them. Look instead, these scholars urged, to the conditions in which these ideologies arose—the bad governance, the shifting social mores, the humiliation of living in lands valued only for their oil.

Without acknowledgment of these factors, no explanation of the rise of the Islamic State could be complete. But focusing on them to the exclusion of ideology reflects another kind of Western bias: that if religious ideology doesn’t matter much in Washington or Berlin, surely it must be equally irrelevant in Raqqa or Mosul. When a masked executioner says Allahu akbar while beheading an apostate, sometimes he’s doing so for religious reasons.

Many mainstream Muslim organizations have gone so far as to say the Islamic State is, in fact, un-Islamic. It is, of course, reassuring to know that the vast majority of Muslims have zero interest in replacing Hollywood movies with public executions as evening entertainment. But Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.”

Every academic I asked about the Islamic State’s ideology sent me to Haykel. Of partial Lebanese descent, Haykel grew up in Lebanon and the United States, and when he talks through his Mephistophelian goatee, there is a hint of an unplaceable foreign accent.

According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. “Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,” Haykel said. “They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.” He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.”

All Muslims acknowledge that Muhammad’s earliest conquests were not tidy affairs, and that the laws of war passed down in the Koran and in the narrations of the Prophet’s rule were calibrated to fit a turbulent and violent time. In Haykel’s estimation, the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war. This behavior includes a number of practices that modern Muslims tend to prefer not to acknowledge as integral to their sacred texts. “Slavery, crucifixion, and beheadings are not something that freakish [jihadists] are cherry-picking from the medieval tradition,” Haykel said. Islamic State fighters “are smack in the middle of the medieval tradition and are bringing it wholesale into the present day.”

The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam.

... If al-Qaeda wanted to revive slavery, it never said so. And why would it? Silence on slavery probably reflected strategic thinking, with public sympathies in mind: when the Islamic State began enslaving people, even some of its supporters balked. Nonetheless, the caliphate has continued to embrace slavery and crucifixion without apology. “We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women,” Adnani, the spokesman, promised in one of his periodic valentines to the West. “If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it, and they will sell your sons as slaves at the slave market.”

... It has already taken up what Islamic law refers to as “offensive jihad,” the forcible expansion into countries that are ruled by non-Muslims. “Hitherto, we were just defending ourselves,” Choudary said; without a caliphate, offensive jihad is an inapplicable concept. But the waging of war to expand the caliphate is an essential duty of the caliph.

Choudary took pains to present the laws of war under which the Islamic State operates as policies of mercy rather than of brutality. He told me the state has an obligation to terrorize its enemies—a holy order to scare the shit out of them with beheadings and crucifixions and enslavement of women and children, because doing so hastens victory and avoids prolonged conflict.

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It would be facile, even exculpatory, to call the problem of the Islamic State “a problem with Islam.” The religion allows many interpretations, and Islamic State supporters are morally on the hook for the one they choose. And yet simply denouncing the Islamic State as un-Islamic can be counterproductive, especially if those who hear the message have read the holy texts and seen the endorsement of many of the caliphate’s practices written plainly within them.

Muslims can say that slavery is not legitimate now, and that crucifixion is wrong at this historical juncture. Many say precisely this. But they cannot condemn slavery or crucifixion outright without contradicting the Koran and the example of the Prophet. “The only principled ground that the Islamic State’s opponents could take is to say that certain core texts and traditional teachings of Islam are no longer valid,” Bernard Haykel says. That really would be an act of apostasy.

Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/



Here's an article by two female Muslim journalists that acknowledges this, and digs into the issue from a different point of view: Will It Take The End of the World For Obama To Recognize ISIS As 'Islamic'?.


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Ellis Dee] * 2
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too many words mate can you shorten it up to maybe half a paragraph?


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
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I read everything, and I've basically surmised out of my own valid opinion that ISIS just wants the D.


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Good article, I'll read the rest later. These guys aren't un-islamic, they're super-islamic. I think they view the tecnnological west as their antichrist. The 'black-flag army' also has eschatological implications.

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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Ellis Dee] * 3
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I saw those fuckers destroy thousands of years of religious history that predated Muslim beliefs. Fuck those fools.


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 6
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They are trying all they can to look like doner kebabs


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Atreyu]
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They're probably not even real like Al-Quaeda. "the database":egyptian:
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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: WeAreAnchors]
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i reckon the cia or american intelligence destroyed those historical sites in the middle east and use isis as an excuse.

and can someone summarize that article for me..plz


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: mindbodysoul]
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I thought those historical sites they destroyed turned out to be plaster copies from a museum or something, not historical sites at all. Could be wrong. The article is basically arguing against the idea that Islam is a religion of peace and ISIS is a misrepresentation of "true" Islamic teaching.

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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: drop dead fred] * 9
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isis justs wants to suck dick and gargle cum and swim in cum and roll around in weiners and cum and ccocks


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
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i laugh whenever i hear of an ISIS bitch dying. no virgins. nope. just nothing.

can't wait till we wipe them all out. :highfive:

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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: drop dead fred]
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Only politically correct numbskulls think ISIS isn't islamic.


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Ellis Dee]
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What ISIS Really Wants








That and be called IS rather than ISIS.


And NO SUBTITLES.





Oh and total control over a people fearing them more than death, which of course backfires because if they fear dead less they wiull martyr themselves in attacks vs IS to be rid of them.

And, of course, a kickass theme song to fight to:





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"My Ummah, Dawn has appeared (loomed/begun to appear), so await the expected (manifest) victory,
The Islamic State has arisen by the blood of the righteous,
The Islamic State has arisen by the jihad of the pious,
They have offered their souls in righteousness with constancy and conviction,
So that the religion may be established, in which there is the law of the Lord of the Worlds.*

My Ummah, accept the good news, and don't despair: victory is near.
The Islamic State has arisen and the dreaded might has begun.
It has arisen tracing out glory, and the period of setting** has ended,
By faithful men who do not fear warfare.
They have created eternal glory that will not perish or disappear.

My Ummah, God is our Lord, so grant your blood,
For victory will not return except by the blood of the martyrs,
Who have spent their time hoping for their Lord in the Abode of the Prophets.
They have offered their souls to God, and for the religion there is self-sacrifice.
The people of giving and granting are the people of excellence and pride.

My Ummah, accept the good news: the Sun of Steadfastness has risen.
Verily we have marched in masses for the hills: the time-honoured glory,
That we may return the light, faith and glorious might,
By men who have forsaken the dunya*** and attained immortality.
And have revived the Ummah of glory and the assured victory."

*- The Shari'a
**- Metaphorically, the language of sunrise and sunset.
***- The material world.




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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Ellis Dee]
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They just want attention, and hugs. If we just went up to those bearded goat-fuckers with flowers and happy meals and hugged them there would totally be world peace :sun:

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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: richardj]
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richardj said:
They just want attention, and hugs. If we just went up to those bearded goat-fuckers with flowers and happy meals and hugged them there would totally be world peace :sun:




obama says they need jobs

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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
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What ISIS Really Wants








That and be called IS rather than ISIS.






no, I think this is it.


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Shroomopotamus]
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Shroomopotamus said:
isis justs wants to suck dick and gargle cum and swim in cum and roll around in weiners and cum and ccocks



And shoot each other with cum from their dick guns :lol:


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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Certainly explains why they appear to be TRYING to start a war with the west with all these executions and such. Chilling.

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Re: What ISIS Really Wants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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They want what all men on the internet want. women





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