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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: memes]
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memes said:
please, tell me more.  please weight your argument towards the topic of racial and sociodemographic homogeneity, because the farther a country is from sociodemograhpic and racial homogeneity, the more difficult it is to enforce broad and effective social welfare policies.


Why should I weight the topic to those limited and traits with low relevance?  If you are really claiming that the US and Nordic countries lie at opposite ends of the spectrum of nations then you have blinder on to the world.  (The same way your giraffe comparison implies blinders to the bulk of life on earth.)

You made the claim, how is the US and a Nordic country more dissimilar than the US and Bangladesh?  Or Norway and Taiwan?  What exactly is the US more like if not like a Nordic country?  A couple countries in the Anglosphere is about all.

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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: DieCommie] * 1
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DieCommie said:
What exactly is the US more like if not like a Nordic country?


it's more like a melting pot of the entire world.  whereas icelandic is the closest existing language to the ancient root language of all those nordic countries, and it's the closest because it's the most goddamn secluded. 


im leaving for the night.  would love to see more substantive responses from you in teh future, instead of just deflecting my contestations with more questions.  you shouldn't take debate tactics from Pris, his skills are waning

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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: memes]
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memes said:
health and education are things most people will agree are fine.  it's the foodstamps, unlimited unemployment insurance, etc. that America has trouble dealing with.



The cost of your military would more than pay for all these programs. Muricans never seem to call military spending or the war on drugs/prison industry "social programs" though. I envy these European nations with free education programs, they are just more civilized people that's all.
Anyway the church near me hands out free lunches every damn day.
I think we should just liberate the 1 percent of all their extra money. Eat the rich.

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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: my3rdeye]
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yeah now that you mention it, if we just took all the money from like the richest 10%, we could distrubite it equally and live off cheap shit from china for the rest of our life without working.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: my3rdeye] * 1
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Yeah I've had free lunches before. I stranger gave me half his footlong sub one time.
When I give darts/change/food/coffee to homeless people I don't expect anything in return. That would be silly.

Truisms aside...

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The cost of your military would more than pay for all these programs. Muricans never seem to call military spending or the war on drugs/prison industry "social programs" though.


The US could still have a very powerful military and afford all these programs. They just need to stop pretending to be Team America: World Police.

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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
It only works in small homogeneous countries, it would never work in the US, there are too many people that would take advantage of the situation.


The point of the system is for it to be taken advantage of. It doesn't work if people don't take advantage of it. The economy benefits from people taking advantage of health care and education that is made freely available to them because it empowers them to contribute more to that economy. The problem is when people are not taking advantage of the system.

But I get what you're saying, though. There's a certain group that is worthy of being educated and living healthy, and a certain group that is unworthy.

Unlike in homogeneous Iceland, where everybody is worthy. According to you.

'Kay. :ifyoucanawe:


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Sophistic Radiance (11/15/14 07:01 AM)

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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
qman said:
It only works in small homogeneous countries, it would never work in the US, there are too many people that would take advantage of the situation.


The point of the system is for it to be taken advantage of. It doesn't work if people don't take advantage of it. The economy benefits from people taking advantage of health care and education that is made freely available to them because it empowers them to contribute more to that economy. The problem is when people are not taking advantage of the system.

But I get what you're saying, though. There's a certain group that is worthy of being educated and living healthy, and a certain group that is unworthy.

Unlike in homogeneous Iceland, where everybody is worthy. According to you.

'Kay. :ifyoucanawe:


The nordic nations have small populations and vast oil and gas reserves to float there social programs. Its not about who is worthy just basic resource control. The majority of humanity will never get free handouts because they have to be earned. You cannot further brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
qman said:
It only works in small homogeneous countries, it would never work in the US, there are too many people that would take advantage of the situation.


The point of the system is for it to be taken advantage of. It doesn't work if people don't take advantage of it. The economy benefits from people taking advantage of health care and education that is made freely available to them because it empowers them to contribute more to that economy. The problem is when people are not taking advantage of the system.

But I get what you're saying, though. There's a certain group that is worthy of being educated and living healthy, and a certain group that is unworthy.

Unlike in homogeneous Iceland, where everybody is worthy. According to you.

'Kay. :ifyoucanawe:


"it empowers them to contribute more to that economy"

That's where the problem lies, we have too many in the US that will never contribute at all.

"Unlike in homogeneous Iceland, where everybody is worthy. According to you."

It's not about being worthy, we have too many different cultures in the US and some of them will never contribute even if you invest vast sums of money in them. Northern Europeans tend to have strong work ethics, value education, and behave in a civilized manner where crime is not a big issue, we don't have that in the US.

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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: qman] * 1
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The US is more about instant gratification the Nordic nations plan for the long term. That is why this experiment would fail in the US.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Northern Europeans tend to have strong work ethics, value education, and behave in a civilized manner where crime is not a big issue, we don't have that in the US.


Do you understand why I keep calling your posts racist?


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
qman said:
Northern Europeans tend to have strong work ethics, value education, and behave in a civilized manner where crime is not a big issue, we don't have that in the US.


Do you understand why I keep calling your posts racist?


Hes right though crime rates are significantly lower in those countries than the US. Unless you think the stats are all lies.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
BlindSophist said:
qman said:
Northern Europeans tend to have strong work ethics, value education, and behave in a civilized manner where crime is not a big issue, we don't have that in the US.


Do you understand why I keep calling your posts racist?


Hes right though crime rates are significantly lower in those countries than the US. Unless you think the stats are all lies.


Speaking of crime rates and stats. How bout dem guns?


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
BlindSophist said:
qman said:
Northern Europeans tend to have strong work ethics, value education, and behave in a civilized manner where crime is not a big issue, we don't have that in the US.


Do you understand why I keep calling your posts racist?


Hes right though crime rates are significantly lower in those countries than the US. Unless you think the stats are all lies.


Or maybe I acknowledge the the stats and have a different interpretation for them.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
BlindSophist said:
qman said:
Northern Europeans tend to have strong work ethics, value education, and behave in a civilized manner where crime is not a big issue, we don't have that in the US.


Do you understand why I keep calling your posts racist?


Hes right though crime rates are significantly lower in those countries than the US. Unless you think the stats are all lies.


Speaking of crime rates and stats. How bout dem guns?


From my cold dead hands Patlal


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
BlindSophist said:
qman said:
Northern Europeans tend to have strong work ethics, value education, and behave in a civilized manner where crime is not a big issue, we don't have that in the US.


Do you understand why I keep calling your posts racist?


Hes right though crime rates are significantly lower in those countries than the US. Unless you think the stats are all lies.


Or maybe I acknowledge the the stats and have a different interpretation for them.


What is your interpretation?


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Or maybe I acknowledge the the stats and have a different interpretation for them.


What is your interpretation?


Anything but "because they're not white"

:sadyes:


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Quote:
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Or maybe I acknowledge the the stats and have a different interpretation for them.


What is your interpretation?


Anything but "because they're not white"

:sadyes:


Demographics don't lie though the safest and best neighborhoods in the US are either white or asian. Why is this?


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
BlindSophist said:
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Or maybe I acknowledge the the stats and have a different interpretation for them.


What is your interpretation?


Anything but "because they're not white"

:sadyes:


Demographics don't lie though the safest and best neighborhoods in the US are either white or asian. Why is this?


History. Obviously.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Quote:
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Or maybe I acknowledge the the stats and have a different interpretation for them.


What is your interpretation?


Anything but "because they're not white"

:sadyes:


Demographics don't lie though the safest and best neighborhoods in the US are either white or asian. Why is this?


History. Obviously.


So despite tons of affirmitive action programs and tons of government aid they are still disadvantaged?


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Re: President of Iceland on Social Welfare in the Nordic Countries [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Again, you'll notice that countries with strong social welfare don't withdraw their aid once a particular group has become enfranchised. It's for everybody, indefinitely, not some sort of "we feel real bad about ruining your life" type of handout, it's  competitive education and comprehensive health care for all and for all time.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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