eatyualive said:

i have used pelleted straw mixed in with coir/verm like this.

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Wheat and wheatgrass come from the same plant, Triticum aestivum. The term "wheat" generally refers to the grain often used to make flour, while "wheatgrass" refers to the young grass that grows before the grain is produced.

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Straw is an agricultural by-product, the dry stalks of cereal plants, after the grain and chaff have been removed. Straw makes up about half of the yield of cereal crops such as barley, oats, rice, rye and wheat.

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Acquario said:

Newbie question: can you break up a some cakes as your spawn or is it best to utilize grain for this?

TEK has been added the favourites! I will be testing this out in a few weeks for sure!

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eatyualive said:

Acquario said:

Newbie question: can you break up a some cakes as your spawn or is it best to utilize grain for this?

TEK has been added the favourites! I will be testing this out in a few weeks for sure!

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you can but it would take about 4 pf cakes per quart of spawn you use. i generally use 5 quarts grain spawn to 10 quarts volume substrate. that would be 20 pf cakes per 10 quarts of substrate give or take. you can make those pf cakes go much further by p2ging them to grain and using grain spawn as your inoculant. if you do a search on the forum for pf cake spawning you may find some good ratios of cake to substrate to use. but you may want to use a much lower volume of substrate if your only using a few pf cakes. i can't really give you any suggestions on recipes because i use grain spawn to inoculate bulk substrates.

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thanks again brother!

van der griegen said:

Since the margin of error on ovens is over 90 degrees, I feel like I should point out that this is an awful, inaccurate method for anyone to perform without the use of a reliable probe thermometer, especially where poo is involved. 

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You can take the route of getting a turkey thermometer and measuring the inner temp to make sure its at the correct temp

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It's great that it works for you, eatyualive, but I've spent a lot of time on here arguing with lots of newbs about the fact that oven teks aren't reliable and now I'm seeing a resurgence.  In fact, I was linked here in a thread from someone who had completely botched a substrate because in this method you

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yes it works for me, but ive seen this method work for many long before any bucket tek existed. ive seen hundreds of consistent results over the years from many different OMC sites and many different growers, and badass old hands. what your saying about reliability is that YOU haven't seen consistent results. maybe its possible that since trends come and go, older ideas are hidden in the cracks and its possible maybe You didn't look in the right places. i would not use this method for 15 years if the results were inconsistent. ive used it for every single grow on a weekly basis for 15 years. how much more consistency do you need?

oven pasteurization was a fad back in the late 90's just like cvg and bucket tek are today. they both work just fine.

im extremely happy for you that you can argue with newbs. if that sense of arguing with a newb satisfies you, then go for it. but i take a different approach. what i find fascinating is that you haven't seen consistent results using oven teks. that to me means you need to do a little more digging. Ill give you a perfect example to lay your doubt to rest and save you time in searching. im a bit of a dinosaur so ive seen it all. and ill point you in the right direction.

Read the first paragraph which i highlighted in bold for you. ill gladly trust highrollers results as consistency. And i was using that same oven tek method 10 years before he posted this thread with consistent results.  In addition, ive grown more than 10 years using all kinds of dung with this same method just as highroller shows it. ive grown out pans, cubes and oysters on dung.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20660285/fpart/1



you can't get much more consistent than that.

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A) fail to mention the parameters of a successful pasteurization and B) don't talk about the inadequacies of other oven methods, leading the poor guy to use an amalgamation of your method and another and ending up with an overcooked poo nightmare.

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anyone can do a search and find information about pasteurization. i dont' have time to read every single pasteurization thread on the omc and criticize it.

this method has always been simple and always will be simple. major millet showed it to me 15-17 years ago.

Results: here is a short sample of a few oven pasteurized cased and non cased grows over the years. starting from 2003-2014.(the first 4 are cased, the rest are uncased)




if this were causing me as many contaminants as you say it would  then how can i keep a full rotation and perpetual harvest all year long for 15 years straight with very little contamination? id say 15 years of results are fairly reliable. your handfull of trials don't really prove anything to me.

i updated the op showing how i bring the coir up to temp prior to putting it in the oven. ill mention to measure your first run adequately because everyones oven is different but it has already been mentioned numerous times in the thread. ive used 4 different ovens over the years and they all worked using 2.5 hours whether electric or gas.

PsillyDoctor said:

thing I don't understand is why debate when there is results proven this tek works

I says let the haters hate as everyone can read and if they don't agree well it's pretty simple 

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PsillyDoctor said:

My bad thought is was "Quit Fucking Talkin"

my apologies

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