Patlal said:

Listen guys. I used to be just like you guys 2 years ago. I didn't believe shit about global warming. But after reading a shit ton of studies on it, a bunch of videos and reliable source, I have come to the conclusion that's its undeniable at this point. THere are too many points of data that have been analyzed, too many models created. To many observable situations.

Plus its too fucking easy to just say, its not true!!

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Patlal said:

Listen guys. I used to be just like you guys 2 years ago. I didn't believe shit about global warming. But after reading a shit ton of studies on it, a bunch of videos and reliable source, I have come to the conclusion that's its undeniable at this point. THere are too many points of data that have been analyzed, too many models created. To many observable situations.

Plus its too fucking easy to just say, its not true!!

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zappaisgod said:

Patlal said:

Listen guys. I used to be just like you guys 2 years ago. I didn't believe shit about global warming. But after reading a shit ton of studies on it, a bunch of videos and reliable source, I have come to the conclusion that's its undeniable at this point. THere are too many points of data that have been analyzed, too many models created. To many observable situations.

Plus its too fucking easy to just say, its not true!!

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Oh you have read tons of studies, huh?  And just exactly what science degree do you have that gives you the ability to understand them?  They are not critically interpretable unless you are versed in the jargon and statistical methods. Videos?  How wonderful.  Like the drowning polar bear one?

Here is the observable situation we have directly on hand.  There has been no global warming for 18 years.  That is irrefutable.

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NotTheDevil said:

zappaisgod said:

Patlal said:

Listen guys. I used to be just like you guys 2 years ago. I didn't believe shit about global warming. But after reading a shit ton of studies on it, a bunch of videos and reliable source, I have come to the conclusion that's its undeniable at this point. THere are too many points of data that have been analyzed, too many models created. To many observable situations.

Plus its too fucking easy to just say, its not true!!

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Oh you have read tons of studies, huh?  And just exactly what science degree do you have that gives you the ability to understand them?  They are not critically interpretable unless you are versed in the jargon and statistical methods. Videos?  How wonderful.  Like the drowning polar bear one?

Here is the observable situation we have directly on hand.  There has been no global warming for 18 years.  That is irrefutable.

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I'll jump in on the debate later, but you don't in fact need a degree to understand science. In fact all you need is about an hour or two on the internet to get the basics and background for any paper you might read (most of the time, excluding some more extreme stuff like certain areas of physics).

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zappaisgod said:

NotTheDevil said:

zappaisgod said:

Patlal said:

Listen guys. I used to be just like you guys 2 years ago. I didn't believe shit about global warming. But after reading a shit ton of studies on it, a bunch of videos and reliable source, I have come to the conclusion that's its undeniable at this point. THere are too many points of data that have been analyzed, too many models created. To many observable situations.

Plus its too fucking easy to just say, its not true!!

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Oh you have read tons of studies, huh?  And just exactly what science degree do you have that gives you the ability to understand them?  They are not critically interpretable unless you are versed in the jargon and statistical methods. Videos?  How wonderful.  Like the drowning polar bear one?

Here is the observable situation we have directly on hand.  There has been no global warming for 18 years.  That is irrefutable.

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I'll jump in on the debate later, but you don't in fact need a degree to understand science. In fact all you need is about an hour or two on the internet to get the basics and background for any paper you might read (most of the time, excluding some more extreme stuff like certain areas of physics).

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He said he read the studies.  That is not even close to the same thing as reading a magazine article about a study.  It would take me a whole semster just to relearn the statistics involved and they are loaded with statistics if you have ever actually seen a study and not a synopsis.

I am going to repeat myself:

"Here is the observable situation we have directly on hand.  There has been no global warming for 18 years.  That is irrefutable"

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Patlal said:

what would it take for you guys to believe that there is in fact global changes and that CO2 levels are fucking things up?

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NotTheDevil said:

I read studies every day, maybe climate studies are different, but physics (not the highest level stuff) and medical studies are easy to read and interpret.

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U.S. Global Change Research Program[edit]
formerly the Climate Change Science Program

The U.S. Global Change Research Program reported in June 2009[18] that:

Observations show that warming of the climate is unequivocal. The global warming observed over the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases. These emissions come mainly from the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and gas), with important contributions from the clearing of forests, agricultural practices, and other activities.

The report, which is about the effects that climate change is having in the United States, also says:

Climate-related changes have already been observed globally and in the United States. These include increases in air and water temperatures, reduced frost days, increased frequency and intensity of heavy downpours, a rise in sea level, and reduced snow cover, glaciers, permafrost, and sea ice. A longer ice-free period on lakes and rivers, lengthening of the growing season, and increased water vapor in the atmosphere have also been observed. Over the past 30 years, temperatures have risen faster in winter than in any other season, with average winter temperatures in the Midwest and northern Great Plains increasing more than 7°F. Some of the changes have been faster than previous assessments had suggested.

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Patlal said:

what would it take for you guys to believe that there is in fact global changes and that CO2 levels are fucking things up?

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Patlal said:

Here's NASA stats. Its fucking NASA, the send satellites everywhere and they all seem to work. Walked on the moon etc.

Here's what they have to say: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Here:s US Science

Quote:

U.S. Global Change Research Program[edit]
formerly the Climate Change Science Program

The U.S. Global Change Research Program reported in June 2009[18] that:

Observations show that warming of the climate is unequivocal. The global warming observed over the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases. These emissions come mainly from the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and gas), with important contributions from the clearing of forests, agricultural practices, and other activities.

The report, which is about the effects that climate change is having in the United States, also says:

Climate-related changes have already been observed globally and in the United States. These include increases in air and water temperatures, reduced frost days, increased frequency and intensity of heavy downpours, a rise in sea level, and reduced snow cover, glaciers, permafrost, and sea ice. A longer ice-free period on lakes and rivers, lengthening of the growing season, and increased water vapor in the atmosphere have also been observed. Over the past 30 years, temperatures have risen faster in winter than in any other season, with average winter temperatures in the Midwest and northern Great Plains increasing more than 7°F. Some of the changes have been faster than previous assessments had suggested.

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Here's nasa again: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/



It can't possibly be any clearer...

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Patlal said:

Here's NASA stats. Its fucking NASA, the send satellites everywhere and they all seem to work. Walked on the moon etc.

Here's what they have to say: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Here:s US Science

Quote:

U.S. Global Change Research Program[edit]
formerly the Climate Change Science Program

The U.S. Global Change Research Program reported in June 2009[18] that:

Observations show that warming of the climate is unequivocal. The global warming observed over the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases. These emissions come mainly from the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and gas), with important contributions from the clearing of forests, agricultural practices, and other activities.

The report, which is about the effects that climate change is having in the United States, also says:

Climate-related changes have already been observed globally and in the United States. These include increases in air and water temperatures, reduced frost days, increased frequency and intensity of heavy downpours, a rise in sea level, and reduced snow cover, glaciers, permafrost, and sea ice. A longer ice-free period on lakes and rivers, lengthening of the growing season, and increased water vapor in the atmosphere have also been observed. Over the past 30 years, temperatures have risen faster in winter than in any other season, with average winter temperatures in the Midwest and northern Great Plains increasing more than 7°F. Some of the changes have been faster than previous assessments had suggested.

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Here's nasa again: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/



It can't possibly be any clearer...

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Patlal said:

You guys are just letting you political ideologies interfere with your train of thought.

You guys link climate change to liberal socialist hippies.

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Patlal said:

You guys are just letting you political ideologies interfere with your train of thought.

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