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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
Cinnor said:
They need to raise the minimum wage slowly and with limitations on the size of the business because small businesses won't handle an immediate raise like large corporations will be able to. There's obviously something wrong when the ceo to employee pay ratio is so unbalanced.  Yea running a business is hard but it doesn't warrant a 300% higher wage.http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/19/executive-pay-ceos-dont-need-cash


It kinda does any brain dead halfwit can be a cashier hence the pay discrepancy if that doesn't cut then update your skills and get a better job.


shouldn't you be more concerned with saving money, then determining who deserves more money than whomever?


I don't determine anything that's what the market does.


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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I was thinking say you make 2 billion dollars, then wouldn't you owe the government 600 million?

Small business owners also could raise the prices on their goods, if they have enough demand they'd even hire more people


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
I doubt communism will be that entrenched in the masses it is likely more people will work with information on computers as opposed to mindless manual labor.


People will move to computer jobs because manual ones were automated? Why wouldn't computer jobs also be automated, software is much easier to make than hardware.

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: NotTheDevil]
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To put machines together on an assembly line it doesn't require much skill, thats why microsoft does everything in China... it's somewhere between a high school diploma and an associates.


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: NotTheDevil]
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NotTheDevil said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
I doubt communism will be that entrenched in the masses it is likely more people will work with information on computers as opposed to mindless manual labor.


People will move to computer jobs because manual ones were automated? Why wouldn't computer jobs also be automated, software is much easier to make than hardware.


Someone will have to make sure the software performs correctly. I do not claim to predict exactly what these future jobs for the unwashed masses will be but it seems kind of silly to claim oh no we need to ban such and such technology because of unemployment. If history is any guide there will a greater and wider variety of jobs than ever due to technology.


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
I don't determine anything that's what the market does.


you were just doing it :shrug: you were determining for yourself how much cashiers should make.

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
I don't determine anything that's what the market does.


you were just doing it :shrug: you were determining for yourself how much cashiers should make.


Its not really a matter of opinion merely a fact that cashiers are unskilled and unworthy of higher pay.


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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that's an opinion. plus, you're fucking ludicrous. that's also an opinion.

you can be the smartest mother fucker in the world and be a cashier. you're stupid claims are fucking stupid and continue to be stupid. it's like "yeah, i lost all my university education, because i decided to get a job as a cashier cause i'm inbetween things, and i lost all my smarts, they just popped outta my head!"

do realize that is stupid, or...?

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
that's an opinion. plus, you're fucking ludicrous. that's also an opinion.

you can be the smartest mother fucker in the world and be a cashier. you're stupid claims are fucking stupid and continue to be stupid.


That is true you can be intelligent and make low wages thats not the point though. The point is that these kinds of jobs require a low skill set and therefore low pay if you want more you provide more value to the marketplace. I am sure even you recognize that.


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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yeah, but that's not what you said before. i was correcting you. consider yourself corrected.

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: akira_akuma]
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Please tell me what I said before


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Sooner or later almost all work will be automated or software based. I have a friend who's a pharmacist that was telling me about warehouses where prescriptions are being filled by robots or some crazy stuff. Obviously there will need to be someone to program snd maintain the automation software but millions of people will have no reason to work in certain sectors.

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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you said that all cashiers are unskilled and unworthy of higher pay. :shrug:

why do i have to tell you what you said?

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Cinnor]
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Cinnor said:
Sooner or later almost all work will be automated or software based. I have a friend who's a pharmacist that was telling me about warehouses where prescriptions are being filled by robots or some crazy stuff. Obviously there will need to be someone to program snd maintain the automation software but millions of people will have no reason to work in certain sectors.


good for man

bad for civic duty

OMG we're doomed.

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Cinnor]
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And the idea of worth is entirely subjective. "The market" can't put a value on everything.

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Cinnor]
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In seatac they raised min wage to 15 dollars. Seattle is now fighting for the same thing it is a HUGE thing going on here.


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Enjoywho]
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Here's your 15$/hr minimum wage worker


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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Apostle]
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Yep. Still nice to see people have a voice. Corporations own this country lord forbid. :rolleyes:


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"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: Cinnor]
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Cinnor said:
Sooner or later almost all work will be automated or software based. I have a friend who's a pharmacist that was telling me about warehouses where prescriptions are being filled by robots or some crazy stuff. Obviously there will need to be someone to program snd maintain the automation software but millions of people will have no reason to work in certain sectors.


In the future there will be only one job - IT.  Every person will have to interact with and learn to cope with the machines and programs that do everything else.  In this sense we go back to basic survival with and against nature, but a new nature of silicon and software.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Re: Senate Democrats Join Republicans to Block Minimum Wage Hike [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
you said that all cashiers are unskilled and unworthy of higher pay. :shrug:

why do i have to tell you what you said?


You think that is untrue?  Why do you suppose there are stickers on fruit?


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