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Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union
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Can you dig it?


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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It isn't even a court case.  It is an NLRB ruling that will be stayed in short order on appeal to a real court.

I generally loathe unions but when the employer has a monopoly position I support them.


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: zappaisgod]
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Get a load of the fucking scabs sucking the coaches dick, yaaaa Northwestern has a chance of winning the big ten :rolleyes:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/college-football/story/_/id/10734087/pat-fitzgerald-urges-northwestern-wildcats-players-vote-union

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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Scabs?  Are you well?


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: zappaisgod]
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Sorry man i will never work a job that has labor unions not up to date on my terminology.


Disingenuous sell outs that go against their own self interest
Whats the term for that?

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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Do you have any idea what the issue is here?  Any at all?  Bueller?


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ya, but you clearly don’t.


Carry on hannity nothing to see here.

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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Do you not realize that they could get fucked by this ruling?  And what do scabs have to do with it?  Do you even know what "scab" means?  And I'm not talking about your acne.


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Do you not realize that they could get fucked by this ruling?  And what do scabs have to do with it?  Do you even know what "scab" means?  And I'm not talking about your acne.


Its a hell of a lot bigger than just them and this years football results. Its pretty funny they still fall for the rah rah rah shit at that age, isn’t Northwestern supposed to be a really good school? Ya we wanna keep slaving away for the NCAA taking huge risks physically, at little to no gain for ourselves, while they make billions.

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
zappaisgod said:
Do you not realize that they could get fucked by this ruling?  And what do scabs have to do with it?  Do you even know what "scab" means?  And I'm not talking about your acne.


Its a hell of a lot bigger than just them and this years football results. Its pretty funny they still fall for the rah rah rah shit at that age, isn’t Northwestern supposed to be a really good school? Ya we wanna keep slaving away for the NCAA taking huge risks physically, at little to no gain for ourselves, while they make billions.


Oh I don't disagree that the NCAA is a plantation but the ramifications of this could be huge.  Since they have been declared employees do they have to pay taxes on the value of their scholarships?  What happens to the other sports that don't generate revenue and what about Title IX?


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: zappaisgod]
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It definitely raises questions, but those are important questions that need answering. How Title 9 especially and the 14th amendment tie in will be interesting.


Like you said earlier, its a monopoly and monopolies are inherently inefficient.

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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I'm not sure how a Northwestern Union could operate. Unions attempt to coerce companies by withdrawing their labor (strikes) or through intentional work slowdowns. They could not be effective unless they organize most of the NCAA teams. Even if they organized the whole Big Ten, it would just marginalize the conference. Union organization is somewhat popular in parts of the country and very unpopular in other parts

    I think its just a scare tactic. The NCAA President has already recommended a $2000 stipend per student athlete. This might be coercion to increase that figure. They might also get a pool of money for injured athletes.

    Northwestern has been decent in football recently but they were horrible from about 1960 to 1995. They spent far less money than the Public Big 10 schools and probably have much more stringent academic standards for athletes. Northwestern basketball has never made the NCAA tournament. It is as if they have been employing these work stoppages and slowdowns all along.


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: Brian Jones]
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I don't think they're looking to get paid.  I think their main thing is that when they get hurt they aren't taken care of by the school that is making bank on their asses.  I don't think it was either legal, justified or smart for this NLRB Beauroweenie to inject himself here and I fully expect it will be tossed.


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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
I'm not sure how a Northwestern Union could operate. Unions attempt to coerce companies by withdrawing their labor (strikes) or through intentional work slowdowns. They could not be effective unless they organize most of the NCAA teams. Even if they organized the whole Big Ten, it would just marginalize the conference. Union organization is somewhat popular in parts of the country and very unpopular in other parts

    I think its just a scare tactic. The NCAA President has already recommended a $2000 stipend per student athlete. This might be coercion to increase that figure. They might also get a pool of money for injured athletes.

    Northwestern has been decent in football recently but they were horrible from about 1960 to 1995. They spent far less money than the Public Big 10 schools and probably have much more stringent academic standards for athletes. Northwestern basketball has never made the NCAA tournament. It is as if they have been employing these work stoppages and slowdowns all along.


You make some solid points. I think your second idea would be better than unionization anyway
The NCAA just holds too much market power plain and simple, something needs to be done.

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/10787521/ncaa-legislative-council-approves-expanded-meal-allowance

They passed a measure for unlimited meals and snacks for student athletes

Overall I think it's a good move, I really hope they dont start paying student athletes, I think that is a step in the wrong direction

The only other thing I think they should have is access to medical coverage for any injuries sustained while in college

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: KillerPicklez]
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I like the stipend everyone is recommending.  5G is solid amount for a D1 athlete that fills 100,000 seat stadiums week in week out. If they want more, they are just getting greedy. Honestly I think it would make the student athlete argument stronger, the kids could save up 20 g for grad school... Not bad at all.

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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So you want to pay all college athletes? or only football players? or only football and basketball?

This is the problem I have with paying athletes... because you will have to pay some and not others... A lot of college sports dont even generate revenue for the Universities..

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: KillerPicklez]
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I say keep it to Basketball and Football, but thats when you start getting into tricky legal waters. I don’t have a law degree so i can’t really comment on how that would play out in regards to title 9 and the 14th amendment :shrug:

In other more obscure collegiate sports the “student athlete” is a much more tangible thing, and their first priority is normally their education.



Another reason why i think they should have to pay Basketball and Football, is because they are required to spend a period in college before becoming professional. I don’t know of any other sports that do that.


As far as the olympics go, there are quite a few medalists every year that are currently college students as well. Like that swimmer girl from london, she gets to keep all that advertisement money for using her image.

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: elax420]
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No sport requires college, it requires you to be a number of years removed from high school.

and you cant discriminate by paying some athletes and not others

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Re: Northwestern Players Can Become First College Sports Union [Re: KillerPicklez]
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KillerPicklez said:
No sport requires college, it requires you to be a number of years removed from high school.

and you cant discriminate by paying some athletes and not others


Ya i don’t know if you can or can’t discriminate, neither do you though, and it what be totally dependent on what criteria they use to do the discriminating.

Assuming they have to pay every athlete; The size of the stipend should be dictated by how much revenue the program brings in. Then everybody gets paid if they are profitable, sounds like the real world.

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