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MightyQuinn
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Organic 5-MeO-DMT
#1962299 - 09/29/03 08:52 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Quantum Tantra tek lists a plant called pilocarpus organensis as having 1.06% 5-MeO-DMT by weight.
Anyone ever get their hands on any part of this plant and extract the 5-MeO?
It shouldn't require any different steps than an extraction of n,n DMT from an organic source right?
I'd probably have to go way out of my way to find a specimen though so this is really just curiosity. The extraction ought to have good yields with a 1.06% content.
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DazedSol
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That is a fair amount of goodies
I think that pound for pound yopo seed may have a higher concentration though.......on the downside it also has other alkaloids....
Interesting, nonetheless....have to look into this plant you speak of...
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: DazedSol]
#1963147 - 09/29/03 03:17 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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some species within genus Pilocarpus contain the toxic alkaloid pilocarpine, so play safe out there, kiddies, mmmkay?
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: gnrm23]
#1963861 - 09/29/03 07:26 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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anyone know documented data on organensis? does it have any toxic alkaloids?
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felixhigh
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i think the common extractions works for all tryptamines without any modifications.
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Infrared
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i think the reseaon no one extracts from a plant for 5meo is because you can get it legally in pure form. the basic A/B extraction would work for all tryptamines, there s always better solvents and techniques and such for specific tryps though.
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Infrared]
#1964466 - 09/29/03 10:45 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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er, changing a little the focus, i was wondering how could one separate different tryptamines from a tryptamine rich plant matter... something like paper chromatography or am i saying complete BS? would a QT work for, lets say, psilocin/bin???
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: felixhigh]
#1964772 - 09/30/03 12:29 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think the common extractions works for all tryptamines without any modifications.
most of the basic extraction teks [largely a/b extractions] would work for any alkaloid i'd think. as for the isolation of specific tryptamines, that'd be rather involoved and i'd have no idea how to go about it.
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gnrm23
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
#1965273 - 09/30/03 06:37 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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paper chromatography (TLC) would be able to tell you what alkaloids are present & what their R(f)s are... and that would give you an extraction protocol for your column chromatography setup... there may be more info on chromatography methodology over at www.rhodium.ws (& maybe at lycaeum &/or erowid...) an article in j chromatog on 2-d TLC (rotating the plate 90 degrees 7 changing solvent mix) showed like 24 different alkaloids in a Phalaris sample...
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felixhigh
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
#1998799 - 10/10/03 09:37 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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concretefeet said:
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i think the common extractions works for all tryptamines without any modifications.
most of the basic extraction teks [largely a/b extractions] would work for any alkaloid i'd think.
as for the isolation of specific tryptamines, that'd be ratherinvolove and i'd have no idea how to go about it.
so if i ran a QT on lets say, cannabis i would end up with cannabinoids without all the oil gunk? how about caapi/rue? it can't be that simple, i guess one should seek the desired alkaloid by its pKa or something...
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Infrared
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: felixhigh]
#1998913 - 10/10/03 10:36 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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do the manske tek for rue. its easy as hell. i dont think you can get thc crystals, so a a/b would kinda be pointless. the best you can get is oil, and i believe you do some type of butane or ether extraction, then remove all the chlorophyl.
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Infrared]
#1999592 - 10/11/03 04:59 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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felix: you don't seem to be clear on a few terms. i am saying that the process should extract the alkoloids, not isolate pure compounds.
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
#1999940 - 10/11/03 11:08 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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i am clear on that! i would be happy with a lot of cannabinoids and no clorophyl! do you understand my point concrete? i just wanna get rid of the bulk junk...
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canid
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: felixhigh]
#2001594 - 10/12/03 12:35 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes i do understand your point. the point that i was amking, having nothing to do with an idolation, is that you can extract the alkoloids. it was a simple point, i'm sorry if it isn't entirely relevant to your question.
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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
#2002393 - 10/12/03 12:16 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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i appreciate your help concrete!
FH
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