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OfflineMightyQuinn
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Organic 5-MeO-DMT
    #1962299 - 09/29/03 10:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The Quantum Tantra tek lists a plant called pilocarpus organensis as having 1.06% 5-MeO-DMT by weight.

Anyone ever get their hands on any part of this plant and extract the 5-MeO?

It shouldn't require any different steps than an extraction of n,n DMT from an organic source right?

I'd probably have to go way out of my way to find a specimen though so this is really just curiosity. The extraction ought to have good yields with a 1.06% content.


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: MightyQuinn]
    #1962843 - 09/29/03 03:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That is a fair amount of goodies :laugh:

I think that pound for pound yopo seed may have a higher concentration though.......on the downside it also has other alkaloids....

Interesting, nonetheless....have to look into this plant you speak of...


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: DazedSol]
    #1963147 - 09/29/03 05:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

some species within genus Pilocarpus contain the toxic alkaloid pilocarpine, so play safe out there, kiddies, mmmkay?


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: gnrm23]
    #1963861 - 09/29/03 09:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

anyone know documented data on organensis? does it have any toxic alkaloids?


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: MightyQuinn]
    #1964180 - 09/29/03 11:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i think the common extractions works for all tryptamines without any modifications.


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: MightyQuinn]
    #1964293 - 09/29/03 11:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i think the reseaon no one extracts from a plant for 5meo is because you can get it legally in pure form. the basic A/B extraction would work for all tryptamines, there s always better solvents and techniques and such for specific tryps though.


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Infrared]
    #1964466 - 09/30/03 12:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

er, changing a little the focus,
i was wondering how could one separate different tryptamines from a tryptamine rich plant matter...
something like paper chromatography or am i saying complete BS?
would a QT work for, lets say, psilocin/bin???


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: felixhigh]
    #1964772 - 09/30/03 02:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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i think the common extractions works for all tryptamines without any modifications.





most of the basic extraction teks [largely a/b extractions] would work for any alkaloid i'd think.

as for the isolation of specific tryptamines, that'd be rather involoved and i'd have no idea how to go about it.


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
    #1965273 - 09/30/03 08:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

paper chromatography (TLC) would be able to tell you what alkaloids are present & what their R(f)s are... and that would give you an extraction protocol for your column chromatography setup...
there may be more info on chromatography methodology over at www.rhodium.ws (& maybe at lycaeum &/or erowid...)
an article in j chromatog on 2-d TLC (rotating the plate 90 degrees 7 changing solvent mix) showed like 24 different alkaloids in a Phalaris sample...


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
    #1998799 - 10/10/03 11:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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concretefeet said:
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i think the common extractions works for all tryptamines without any modifications.





most of the basic extraction teks [largely a/b extractions] would work for any alkaloid i'd think.

as for the isolation of specific tryptamines, that'd be ratherinvolove and i'd have no idea how to go about it.





so if i ran a QT on lets say, cannabis i would end up with cannabinoids without all the oil gunk? how about caapi/rue?
it can't be that simple, i guess one should seek the desired alkaloid by its pKa or something...

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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: felixhigh]
    #1998913 - 10/11/03 12:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

do the manske tek for rue. its easy as hell. i dont think you can get thc crystals, so a a/b would kinda be pointless. the best you can get is oil, and i believe you do some type of butane or ether extraction, then remove all the chlorophyl.


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Infrared]
    #1999592 - 10/11/03 06:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

felix:
you don't seem to be clear on a few terms.
i am saying that the process should extract the alkoloids, not isolate pure compounds.


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
    #1999940 - 10/11/03 01:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i am clear on that!
i would be happy with a lot of cannabinoids and no clorophyl!
do you understand my point concrete? i just wanna get rid of the bulk junk...


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: felixhigh]
    #2001594 - 10/12/03 02:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yes i do understand your point. the point that i was amking, having nothing to do with an idolation, is that you can extract the alkoloids. it was a simple point, i'm sorry if it isn't entirely relevant to your question.


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Re: Organic 5-MeO-DMT [Re: canid]
    #2002393 - 10/12/03 02:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i appreciate your help concrete!


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