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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Jvells]
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Jvells said:
Wow, I hope things have been getting better bro. Question, you know when we used to talk all the time about our heavy dose trips? Do you think taking that extreme dose of mescaline, mxe and smoking dmt every other months along with all your other tripping somehow started to bring it out or did you have bits and pieces of it when you were younger? You're in your mid 20's right? Around that age it's typically a little late for schitzophrenia to show in people correct?

I just ask because we constantly were tripping on the same drugs in the same heroic dosages and while I have noticed absolutely no signs of psychosis or even HPPD in the slightest...however I am only 19 so maybe as I age it'll suddenly become more apparent. Lol i really hope that isn't the case...psychedelics have always agreed very well with me and if anything I sometimes feel like they're extremely beneficial for my mental state. I remember reading a MAPS study stating psychedelics don't increase your risk for mental illness and if anything might help. I do wonder if psychedelics in extreme amounts frequently rather than at a normal amount can somehow trigger it or something? Doubt it but worth asking you if all that tripping made it a little worse or something.

You're the only one I know ballsy enough to IV 4-aco-dmt and you did also have some absolutely amazing wildly thought out theories I loved so I dont doubt that your mind has different wiring haha.

  Psychedelics have a way of amplifying mental states, as I'm sure you've already found out.  The truth is you know when your getting a little too far out there.  Just remember that you can't stay out there forever; and some of the things learned out in the abyss don't cross back over into this plane.
Re-integration is the key.  If you can't work it into your everyday life, it doesn't really hold that much water on this side of things.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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Society gives you this label of schizophrenic, you just need to learn to live with who you are.

Do what makes you happy in life, not what others expect of you...

It's your life, do what makes you happy. :cool:


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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Sanpedrox]
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Sanpedrox said:
Society gives you this label of schizophrenic, you just need to learn to live with who you are.

Do what makes you happy in life, not what others expect of you...

It's your life, do what makes you happy. :cool:


I've always wondered, what if crazy people think we're nuts? IMO the theory of relativity applies to reality itself. With that in mind, just because you don't understand something that doesn't make it unacceptable or out of the norm.

"You just need to learn to live with who you are." Is perfect.

Anonymous #12 said:
I think you need to look inside yourself and ask why this would bother you. To overcome, we must face, no matter what the cost because otherwise we define ourselves in regret, pain, worry. To bring balance to yourself and your now you must accept that there is not positive and negative, no good and bad, only what is. Balance is facetious in these terms, because that is in essence the problem. Stop trying to balance your life, and live to be who you are meant to be. By worrying about consequence, we stifle our potential. Whatever you find to stress of, it is part of who you are. You're going to tell me, that you aren't who you are? I don't mean Brad or Mike or whatever your name is, but who you were before you were defined.


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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: larry.fisherman]
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a lot of it was actually caused by hash oil believe it  or not...I was smoking it 24/7 and at one point it got too much for me and I LITERALLY went insane, I sunk into this hyper-mode where I felt compelled to 'go with it' the psychotic break lasted about 7 minutes, like a DMT trip..the psychotic state had me running around in this "99.99999" state of mind" that's the only way I can explain it, I just maxed out. This pretty girl and ELMO came on the television and was literally giving me instructions on how to deal with it. like I would go nuts, maxing out, then they would be like DUDE LAY DOWN AND BREATHE JUST BREATHE and I listened, then I would get back up and do it all over again. during some point of the 'trip' I grabbed my dick and was like JUST SO YOU KNOW THE THING FUCKING SPINS. I felt like I was teaching the world how to truly use their penis's. because I don't jack off in the normal way, I spin my dick with one hand and with the other I lay it on the head of it, so I spin it in a circular motion until I cum..then after I did that, I literally MERGED WITH THE CROSS...I felt like I understood how the 'cross' worked..its just like an electron. I would do the motion with my fingers of the cross in this psychotic break and the trails of the motion connected it and it was just cool. it was yellow energy, actually.

Anyway, during the 'trip' I did that, I 'showed the world how to jack off' then eventually 'the bugs' got to me. I found myself in my room, my mom and the cops came, I looked the cop in the eye and said "THERES BUGS CRAWLING ALL OVER ME AHH" then they took me away and I spent 30 days in a psych ward. they put me on halidol and I got so fucked up from it man...I took myself off of of it and the schizophrenia eventually caught up to me again and I had to go back in. this is when I had the incident I talk about in the thread.

I forgot to mention, there was this red spot in my wall, and the trip seemed to revolve around that. and when I was running around naked, before the girl and elmo came on my tv, I was saying in my head, repeatedly, PLEASE DONT KILL ME, PLEASE DONT KILL ME. then before the bugs eventually put an end to the whole thing, I challenged the illuminati, in my head. I said "you can kill me if you can round up everyone you ever met in 5 days".

yeah, I know its nuts. but it was the most fun I had in long long time. I felt like I had the ultimate experience. like I experienced TRUE insanity.  my body was literally in this "machine auto-pilot state" that even when on psychs ive never come across.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

Edited by Bill_Oreilly (01/31/14 09:55 AM)

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19500186 -

Bill, do you think if you gave yourself a break from drugs (Illegal and prescription) for a good amount of time you could hold a stable personality?

I'm not trying to play doctor here, I'm just asking out of interest?


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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Sanpedrox]
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if you read the thread you would notice I said many times im taking a break from all drugs besides my anti-psychotic.

im sick of having to repeat this. im taking a year break from tripping.


oh and I do need the meds. I haven't smoked weed in 50 days and I haven't tripped in 3 months and I still experienced schizophrenic thought patterns. I need a year of the meds, then im going to get off them. hopefully ill be ready to trip again.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19500206 -

Bill_Oreilly said:
if you read the thread you would notice I said many times im taking a break from all drugs besides my anti-psychotic.

im sick of having to repeat this. im taking a year break from tripping.


I did say prescription too, I don't have faith in prescription medicine. Do you think you'd survive without it is what I was sort of asking.


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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Sanpedrox]
    #19500209 -

I tried too this last time and I couldn't do it. my mind was just "all over the place". if I didn't have a son and so many responsibilities I could live with my schizophrenia.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19500212 -

.

Edited by spore baby (12/19/14 10:12 PM)

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19500216 -

TheGreenArrow said:
Jvells said:
Wow, I hope things have been getting better bro. Question, you know when we used to talk all the time about our heavy dose trips? Do you think taking that extreme dose of mescaline, mxe and smoking dmt every other months along with all your other tripping somehow started to bring it out or did you have bits and pieces of it when you were younger? You're in your mid 20's right? Around that age it's typically a little late for schitzophrenia to show in people correct?

I just ask because we constantly were tripping on the same drugs in the same heroic dosages and while I have noticed absolutely no signs of psychosis or even HPPD in the slightest...however I am only 19 so maybe as I age it'll suddenly become more apparent. Lol i really hope that isn't the case...psychedelics have always agreed very well with me and if anything I sometimes feel like they're extremely beneficial for my mental state. I remember reading a MAPS study stating psychedelics don't increase your risk for mental illness and if anything might help. I do wonder if psychedelics in extreme amounts frequently rather than at a normal amount can somehow trigger it or something? Doubt it but worth asking you if all that tripping made it a little worse or something.

You're the only one I know ballsy enough to IV 4-aco-dmt and you did also have some absolutely amazing wildly thought out theories I loved so I dont doubt that your mind has different wiring haha.

  Psychedelics have a way of amplifying mental states, as I'm sure you've already found out.  The truth is you know when your getting a little too far out there.  Just remember that you can't stay out there forever; and some of the things learned out in the abyss don't cross back over into this plane.
Re-integration is the key.  If you can't work it into your everyday life, it doesn't really hold that much water on this side of things.



This schizophrenia was definitely caused by my massive amounts of tripping. I never had any sign of schiz before tripping. sorry I didn't read your whole thread im in a rush at the moment u da man jvells I feel like I just went head  first into the darkness and im getting fucked for it. I wouldn't say I disrespected the trip in general, but I definitely gave it all I had in the tank


and you really think I need LSD? I think I need a break from LSD, bro.- to the above poster


--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

Edited by Bill_Oreilly (01/31/14 10:14 AM)

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: spore baby]
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Bill you do what you think is best man, I wish you all the luck in the world.


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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19500241 -

thanks brother. I wish I could get responses from my other post...I actually haven't told you guys about that experience which was stupid of me...it was like the funnest trip of my life, even though it was pure insanity

Bill_Oreilly said:
a lot of it was actually caused by hash oil believe it  or not...I was smoking it 24/7 and at one point it got too much for me and I LITERALLY went insane, I sunk into this hyper-mode where I felt compelled to 'go with it' the psychotic break lasted about 7 minutes, like a DMT trip..the psychotic state had me running around in this "99.99999" state of mind" that's the only way I can explain it, I just maxed out. This pretty girl and ELMO came on the television and was literally giving me instructions on how to deal with it. like I would go nuts, maxing out, then they would be like DUDE LAY DOWN AND BREATHE JUST BREATHE and I listened, then I would get back up and do it all over again. during some point of the 'trip' I grabbed my dick and was like JUST SO YOU KNOW THE THING FUCKING SPINS. I felt like I was teaching the world how to truly use their penis's. because I don't jack off in the normal way, I spin my dick with one hand and with the other I lay it on the head of it, so I spin it in a circular motion until I cum..then after I did that, I literally MERGED WITH THE CROSS...I felt like I understood how the 'cross' worked..its just like an electron. I would do the motion with my fingers of the cross in this psychotic break and the trails of the motion connected it and it was just cool. it was yellow energy, actually.

Anyway, during the 'trip' I did that, I 'showed the world how to jack off' then eventually 'the bugs' got to me. I found myself in my room, my mom and the cops came, I looked the cop in the eye and said "THERES BUGS CRAWLING ALL OVER ME AHH" then they took me away and I spent 30 days in a psych ward. they put me on halidol and I got so fucked up from it man...I took myself off of of it and the schizophrenia eventually caught up to me again and I had to go back in. this is when I had the incident I talk about in the thread.

I forgot to mention, there was this red spot in my wall, and the trip seemed to revolve around that. and when I was running around naked, before the girl and elmo came on my tv, I was saying in my head, repeatedly, PLEASE DONT KILL ME, PLEASE DONT KILL ME. then before the bugs eventually put an end to the whole thing, I challenged the illuminati, in my head. I said "you can kill me if you can round up everyone you ever met in 5 days".

yeah, I know its nuts. but it was the most fun I had in long long time. I felt like I had the ultimate experience. like I experienced TRUE insanity.  my body was literally in this "machine auto-pilot state" that even when on psychs ive never come across.



--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Eat a lot of wheat?

Research: wheat cuts off blood flow to the brain's frontal cortex

cut out wheat and see if this has effects before doing anything too drastic medication wise or what ever maybe?

Edited by Corporal Kielbasa (01/31/14 10:27 AM)

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Wow and to think our chats are what convinced you to get more bho. I feel kinda shitty contributing to it but hey I learned something i guess. Gotta help but wonder if your kid might have it too when he gets older? Does anyone else in your family have mental illness or schitzophrenia? All i can say is tell his ass to stay far away from drugs in case they bring it out like it did to you. We all know curiosity is huge though so i guess this is something time will see.

Also i found the way you masterbate hilarious:curbyourenthusiasm: i love you so much my man ill never forget you thats for sure. I miss our long ass chats:sad:

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Corporal Kielbasa said:
Eat a lot of wheat?

Research: wheat cuts off blood flow to the brain's frontal cortex

cut out wheat and see if this has effects before doing anything too drastic medication wise or what ever maybe?


I'm starting to think we're really only meant to eat certain things. Good thing I don't eat much wheat.

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Corporal Kielbasa said:
Eat a lot of wheat?

Research: wheat cuts off blood flow to the brain's frontal cortex

cut out wheat and see if this has effects before doing anything too drastic medication wise or what ever maybe?


Eh? I'm going to have to do some research on this

Its worth mentioning off the bat that the studies they cited there involved only a few dozen people, which doesn't really prove anything. I'm curious though and will be digging around

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Repertoire89]
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Bill....
Quote:
This schizophrenia was definitely caused by my massive amounts of tripping. I never had any sign of schiz before tripping. sorry I didn't read your whole thread im in a rush at the moment u da man jvells I feel like I just went head  first into the darkness and im getting fucked for it. I wouldn't say I disrespected the trip in general, but I definitely gave it all I had in the tank



This is what some here need to hear....that these drugs, taken to the extreme can leave lasting damage....I'm really hopeful, that the one year lay-off does the trick, but you may need longer and I am confident you will recognize if you do. You pushed way further than anyone I have seen on this forum and it kicked your ass. That was a hard thing for you to admit, but you may be saving someone's life.

I truly wish you the best and  send my prayers for you.:peace::sunny:M


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Look Deep Into Nature,and Then You Will Understand Everything Better.

Albert Einstein

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Repertoire89]
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Everyone I know that goes gluten free ends up telling me they feel a lot better then when they ate it. 

I agree that there aren't many studies or cases to back up that claim in the link.

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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
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baltimark said:
Bill....
Quote:
This schizophrenia was definitely caused by my massive amounts of tripping. I never had any sign of schiz before tripping. sorry I didn't read your whole thread im in a rush at the moment u da man jvells I feel like I just went head  first into the darkness and im getting fucked for it. I wouldn't say I disrespected the trip in general, but I definitely gave it all I had in the tank



This is what some here need to hear....that these drugs, taken to the extreme can leave lasting damage....I'm really hopeful, that the one year lay-off does the trick, but you may need longer and I am confident you will recognize if you do. You pushed way further than anyone I have seen on this forum and it kicked your ass. That was a hard thing for you to admit, but you may be saving someone's life.

I truly wish you the best and  send my prayers for you.:peace::sunny:M


http://www.newssum.com/magic-mushrooms-do-what-to-your-mental-health-3080

Quote:
Those are the findings by neuroscience researchers at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim, who reported that LSD, psilocybin and mescaline not only don’t cause long-term mental health problems, but that in many cases the use of psychedelics is associated with a lower rate of mental health problems.

The study (here) pulled data from the US National Survey on Drug Use and Health, observing 130,152 randomly-selected respondents from the adult population of the US. 13.4% of that group (21,967 individuals) reported lifetime use of psychedelics. Comparing this data to standardized screening measures for mental health, the researchers found that neither lifetime psychedelic use nor use of LSD in the past year were independent risk factors for mental health problems—and that, in fact, psychedelic users had lower rates of mental health issues.

Teri S. Krebs and Pål-Ørjan Johansen, the Norwegian researchers, additionally noted that “psychedelic plants have been used for celebratory, religious or healing purposes for thousands of years” and that “psychedelics often elicit deeply personally and spiritually meaningful experiences and sustained beneficial effects… LSD and psilocybin are consistently ranked in expert assessments as causing less harm to both individual users and society than alcohol, tobacco, and most other common recreational drugs. Given that millions of doses of psychedelics have been consumed every year for over 40 years, well-documented case reports of long-term mental health problems following use of these substances are rare.”

The study also found absolutely no evidence that “flashbacks” afflict users of psychedelics, slaying another commonly-held superstition around psychedelic use.

The Norwegian study brings good news for the over 30 million Americans who have used psychedelics (compared to 100 million who have used marijuana). And while the media has been buzzing about Dr. Sanjay Gupta’s revelation that he “changed his mind on weed,” it may be time for psychedelics to get a similar PR rehabilitation.

While psychedelics still conjure images of 1960s-era bad trips like Art Linkletter’s daughter jumping out of a window on acid (an overinflated myth, says Snopes), they have undergone significant research and slow progress towards clinical acceptance in the past decades. Researchers still labor under the immensely negative Timothy Leary-era image of psychedelics, but are steadily chipping away at the cultural deadlock created by what many see as reckless abuse of psychedelics during the 1960s and 70s. Standing in stark contrast to the negatives of that time, however, are the immense clinical benefits that psychedelics are consistently being shown to offer.

Another recent study at the University of South Florida, for instance, found that psilocybin mushrooms erase conditioned fear response in mice, suggesting they could potentially be used to cure PTSD—and that psilocybin can even prompt growth of brain cells.

Multiple studies are currently being conducted (at New York University’s medical school and Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center) into using psychedelics to alleviate fear in patients with late-stage terminal illness—easing the experience of death and allowing people to end their lives in states of acceptance instead of terror.

LSD and psilocybin even hold promise for treating cluster headaches, a condition so debilitating and painful that it often leads sufferers to consider suicide.

While marijuana enjoys its time in the spotlight, it may be time for its more potent—and potentially even more beneficial—siblings to join the party.


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Re: fuck this shit...diagnosed with schizophrenia [Re: larry.fisherman]
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XLCaps said:

Thanks for saving me the time.

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