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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
elax420 said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yeah it's a dick move to rape and kill someone, that's why you don't go ahead and keep killing.



What are you supposed to do?


Cloth and feed him/isolate him from the rest of the prison population for his entire life?


Im not even a big fan of the death penalty but once again, hardly the time or the place to make this argument.


Yes. You put him behind bars for life, with or without a possibility of parole depending on the nature of the crime. In this case, no parole.



Well thats like your opinion man.


Vote and get it changed.


Or move to that Canadian dudes autocratic utopia where he determines everything that is legal and ethical.

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: elax420] * 1
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elax420 said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
What about the innocent lives the death penalty cost. That ok too, just so society can kill people they deem unfit to live?



What about it? There is no perfect system.


The kind of societies you are calling for end up killing a lot more innocent people than a democracy.


You got anything at all to back up that statement? Because last time I checked your homicide rates are still off the charts compared to other countries that dont carry the death penalty.

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: Set]
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Set said:
elax420 said:
Set said:
elax420 said:
He’s trying to call other peoples character into question while calling for sympathy


When did he call for sympathy?

Are you saying sympathy is defined by not killing a person?



Go back 3 pages.


My user settings are set to 50 results per page, possibly different for yours.

So I took the time to go back and search "sympath*" through all 5 pages.  Nothing from him turned up.

I want to learn.  Link me.

Please teach me.



Go read the thread yourself.

Im not doing you work for you.

Or keep being a condescending dick, ya know whatever one works better for you.

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
elax420 said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
What about the innocent lives the death penalty cost. That ok too, just so society can kill people they deem unfit to live?



What about it? There is no perfect system.


The kind of societies you are calling for end up killing a lot more innocent people than a democracy.


You got anything at all to back up that statement? Because last time I checked your homicide rates are still off the charts compared to other countries that dont carry the death penalty.


dude really.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: elax420] * 1
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:hahthatsrich:

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: elax420] * 1
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elax420 said:
Go read the thread yourself.

Im not doing you work for you.

Or keep being a condescending dick, ya know whatever one works better for you.


lol why can't you link me?  I'm trying to be nice.

I'm a dick?  Your title is "anal destroyer".  :congrats:

So are you a hemorrhoid, or dysentery, or something else?


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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
No. It's not up to the family.


Because they would exact revenge, not justice. Same goes for the judicial system. Killing a man in no way rehabilitates him nor does it deter future crimes. So what's the point?


Some would. Some do not.

The point is to remove a violent ass from the face of the planet. While it may not rehabilitate him (frankly I don't believe in rehabilitation of violent criminals) it ensures he/she won't repeat the offense.

As to deterrence, I suspect it does just fine for some.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
elax420 said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
What about the innocent lives the death penalty cost. That ok too, just so society can kill people they deem unfit to live?



What about it? There is no perfect system.


The kind of societies you are calling for end up killing a lot more innocent people than a democracy.


You got anything at all to back up that statement? Because last time I checked your homicide rates are still off the charts compared to other countries that dont carry the death penalty.


dude really.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust


The USA is closer to facism than a hell of a lot of socialist nations.

Hell, this nation was founded on genocide.


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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
No. It's not up to the family.


Because they would exact revenge, not justice. Same goes for the judicial system. Killing a man in no way rehabilitates him nor does it deter future crimes. So what's the point?


Some would. Some do not.

The point is to remove a violent ass from the face of the planet. While it may not rehabilitate him (frankly I don't believe in rehabilitation of violent criminals) it ensures he/she won't repeat the offense.

As to deterrence, I suspect it does just fine for some.


Science would disagree with that last statement.

As for ensuring he doesn't kill again, wouldn't putting him behind bars for the rest of his life accomplish that? If he's particularly violent just keep him in solitary. It's not too difficult.


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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 4
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I consider America a fascist state and I avoid crossing the border into America in the same way I would have avoided crossing the border into Nazi Germany. I do not want to ever put my physical body into the geographical space that The United State's Government claims as its legal jurisdiction.


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Everything I post is fiction.

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Science would disagree with that last statement.


Prove it. I haven't read either way about murderers.


Quote:
As for ensuring he doesn't kill again, wouldn't putting him behind bars for the rest of his life accomplish that? If he's particularly violent just keep him in solitary. It's not too difficult.


Nope. It would not. People escape. People who shouldn't be are paroled. Other inmates and or prison workers could be harmed.

Remove the threat. Kill the scum.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
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Moonshoe said:
I consider America a fascist state and I avoid crossing the border into America in the same way I would have avoided crossing the border into Nazi Germany. I do not want to ever put my physical body into the geographical space that The United State's Government claims as its legal jurisdiction.


Doesn't matter.

Our nation, forced another nation, to force another nation's president, to land his plane under threat of violence all because they guessed that maybe one of his passengers was a leaker of illegal government actions.

Just let that sink in.


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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Hate. Hate them. Nourish that attitude. Hates exactly what lead them to commit the crime in the first place. Luckily leople like you have no place in the legal system.

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
The Ecstatic said:
Science would disagree with that last statement.


Prove it. I haven't read either way about murderers.


Quote:
As for ensuring he doesn't kill again, wouldn't putting him behind bars for the rest of his life accomplish that? If he's particularly violent just keep him in solitary. It's not too difficult.


Nope. It would not. People escape. People who shouldn't be are paroled. Other inmates and or prison workers could be harmed.

Remove the threat. Kill the scum.


And who decides who the scum is?

Who decides who should be paroled or not if not the courts? Who decides who might escape, and therefore should just be killed?


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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Hate. Hate them. Nourish that attitude. Hates exactly what lead them to commit the crime in the first place. Luckily leople like you have no place in the legal system.


Luckily you're wrong and people like me make it onto juries all the time.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
And who decides who the scum is?


The same people who do now. You may have heard of them. Jurors.


Quote:
Who decides who should be paroled or not if not the courts? Who decides who might escape, and therefore should just be killed?


Who writes your stuff?

That's why you remove the violent from society. To prevent both.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Oh here come the apologists for murders and rapists.

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: setb]
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Rapes ok as long as you apologize.

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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
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luvdemshrooms said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
Hate. Hate them. Nourish that attitude. Hates exactly what lead them to commit the crime in the first place. Luckily leople like you have no place in the legal system.


Luckily you're wrong and people like me make it onto juries all the time.


yay!  :whateveryousayfreak:


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Re: So Ohio just executed a murderer/rapist. His overdose lasted over 15 minutes before he died. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
No. It's not up to the family.


Because they would exact revenge, not justice. Same goes for the judicial system. Killing a man in no way rehabilitates him nor does it deter future crimes. So what's the point?


Some would. Some do not.

The point is to remove a violent ass from the face of the planet. While it may not rehabilitate him (frankly I don't believe in rehabilitation of violent criminals) it ensures he/she won't repeat the offense.

As to deterrence, I suspect it does just fine for some.


Science would disagree with that last statement.

As for ensuring he doesn't kill again, wouldn't putting him behind bars for the rest of his life accomplish that? If he's particularly violent just keep him in solitary. It's not too difficult.


Saves money in housing and feeding him

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