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Re: libertarianism [Re: GazzBut]
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Who looks after workers rights and environmental issues such as pollution?

workers (and everyone else's) rights are protected by the government. what rights are you referring to?

if someone poisons the air you breathe, the water you drink, or dumps waste on your land without your permission, they've initiated force against you.

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Re: libertarianism [Re: Xlea321]
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Yep, those incorruptible guys making $40,000 plus benefits are going to fight for the rights of someone on 10 cents an hour. And they certainly arn't going to accept bribes because in libertarian utopia that can't exist.

we're not talking about a utopia here.

police corruption is, if anything, increased by a minimum wage.

the more you're required by law to pay your people, and the greater the disparity between this and how much they would voluntarily work for, the greater the economic incentive to bribe the police into letting you keep workers on for less than minimum wage, amongst other things.

when you attempt to control the market on any major scale, a black market always springs up.... you should already know what sort of police conduct is involved when it comes to the black market.

this corruption argument is totally assinine.

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Re: libertarianism [Re: Xlea321]
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Could you address this point mush?

sure. child labor is not permitted in a libertarian system.

you'll note that the author was not quoting an actual court session, but a fictitious anecdote based on a false assumption about libertarianism.

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Re: libertarianism [Re: ]
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now i'm sure alex isn't the only one here with reservations about libertarianism... anyone else wanna speak their mind on this?

what do you think of all this?

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Re: libertarianism [Re: ]
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I have many of those same reservations. Nothing has convinced me so far that pure libertarianism would not work without a few socialist safeguards.

I just don't feel like argueing economics all day as it is most likely a choatic system and long term forcasts,as with the weather,are futile.


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Re: libertarianism [Re: ]
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recommended reading (if you're into that sort of thing):

The Law by Frederick Bastiat

Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt

Two Treatises Of Government by John Locke

On Liberty by John Stuart Mill

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Re: libertarianism [Re: ]
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Some good online reading material:

Agrarian Justice by Thomas Paine

Price Theory by David D. Friedman

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Re: libertarianism [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Would corporations still be allowed to exist under a libertarian system?

Would they still be allowed special rights like they are today? Would they still be fiscal entities?


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Re: libertarianism [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Would corporations still be allowed to exist under a libertarian system?

yes.

Would they still be allowed special rights like they are today?

no.

Would they still be fiscal entities?

what do you mean?

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Re: libertarianism [Re: ]
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Corporations are legally an "entity" like a person. This protects the owners from liablity from anything the business does.


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Re: libertarianism [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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that sounds like it falls under special legal rights...

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Re: libertarianism [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Baby_Hitler said:
Corporations are legally an "entity" like a person. This protects the owners from liablity from anything the business does.


Therein lies the problem. The owners should be held liable just as if they were unincorporated. Corporate laws give privileges to businesses that individuals do not enjoy. They in effect elevate corporations legally above individuals. Tax laws also favor corporations above individuals, at least in terms of what can be written off as expenses and to what extent such expenses can be written off (health care expenses are the first that come to mind).


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