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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: sirreal]
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Nobody's perfect, and in his case, it probably would have been better if he hadn't brought his children into this world. While I agree that family life is important, so is making the world a better place. There are plenty of other people with worse family lives who have not made the positive impact on the world that he did.


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
Nobody's perfect, and in his case, it probably would have been better if he hadn't brought his children into this world.


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While I agree that family life is important, so is making the world a better place.


I am not a leary hater at all. He said some nice things. But did he really make the world a better place? He sure didn't make the world better for his kids it seems.


 


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website. [Re: sirreal]
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We don't know the circumstances surrounding Leary's family life.

Either way, not listening to Leary because of how his family life turned out is throwing the baby out with the bath water.





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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: sirreal]
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Giving your children guidance is the most important thing you can do.



Expand your idea of what a family is, and you'll see that he did a world of good for his extended human family. Say he had four children (I don't know the exact number). What's the life of four people compared to millions upon millions of people?

As for Dr. King, he was an adulterer, but his wife still loved him and he got to spend a good amount of time with his children although he was absent doing work for the human family for stretches of time. His family approved of and understood the sacrifices he was making, the ultimate one being his life.



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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website. [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
We don't know the circumstances surrounding Leary's family life.


We know that he took lots of drugs.We know he was very much into hedonism.At the expense of his families well being it would seem.
We know that two very close family members commited suicide.

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Either way, not listening to Leary because of how his family life turned out is throwing the baby out with the bath water.



I said that he spoke some very nice words. But to say that he was christ reincarnated is a bit much.



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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website. [Re: sirreal]
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How do you know Christ didn't have a fucked up family life? Cuz the Bible says so? Ha!


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: Jellric]
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Jellric said:
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Giving your children guidance is the most important thing you can do.



Expand your idea of what a family is, and you'll see that he did a world of good for his extended human family. Say he had four children (I don't know the exact number). What's the life of four people compared to millions upon millions of people?



Defining family will not "make" me see that he did a "world" of good for the world.That is disputable.

I think drug use and "saving the world" should take second place to your own family.You are responsible for preparing them to cope with this life. They are your ony true responsibility.

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As for Dr. King, he was an adulterer, but his wife still loved him and he got to spend a good amount of time with his children although he was absent doing work for the human family for stretches of time. His family approved of and understood the sacrifices he was making, the ultimate one being his life.



King is a good example of a man with flaws. He, however, was not a hedonistic drug user.



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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website. [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
How do you know Christ didn't have a fucked up family life? Cuz the Bible says so? Ha!



Jesus christ is an idea.No one even knows for sure if he really existed. And the only substantial info. we have on him is in the bible.

I am not a christian anyway.

Ha!



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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: silversoul7]
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I will tell you from my personal views and experience's I would say you are one fucked up person to think Leary did one bit of good with his time, his impact has always and remains negative. He was a fucking idiot.

Personal opinion of course but Jesus, come on.

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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: sirreal]
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They are your ony true responsibility.



Thankfully the great ones who have benefited society thought differently.
One thing you aren't taking into account in your thinking is that those families are also part of the same society and reap the benefits of their father's work just like anyone else.

If Dr. King had been my Dad I would have gladly traded him seeing my ballgames for freedom from oppression for all black citizens. I would be proud of his sacrifice and I would personally consider it selfish to do otherwise. Some might feel otherwise, but these are my feelings.


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: Jellric]
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I think he would have been better off if so many people weren't tugging on his apron strings like he was their mammy.


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: Adom]
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Adom said:
I will tell you from my personal views and experience's I would say you are one fucked up person to think Leary did one bit of good with his time, his impact has always and remains negative. He was a fucking idiot.


Care to elaborate on that, or are just gonna be a troll and bash him for no reason?


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: Jellric]
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Jellric said:
One thing you aren't taking into account in your thinking is that those families are also part of the same society and reap the benefits of their father's work just like anyone else.



His daughter killed her boyfriend and then herself. his son would not talk to him for nearly 20 years.One of his wives killed herself.
How did his family benefit from all of his drug use.


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If Dr. King had been my Dad I would have gladly traded him seeing my ballgames for freedom from oppression for all black citizens.



Who is talking about ballgames?

He was a pretty decent father as far as I know. Not the wreck that learys family was.

I see nothing wrong with making certain sacrifices to accomplish an important goal. But leary was a self centered, drug using hedonist.We are not talking about a man who sacrificed his life for the betterment of humanity!


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: sirreal]
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Leary does not strike me as a hedonist. He advocated the use of LSD for spiritual enlightenment. Not to get fucked up.


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
Leary does not strike me as a hedonist.  He advocated the use of LSD for spiritual enlightenment.  Not to get fucked up. 



Well silversoul, everyone that does drugs likes to get fucked up. Let's be honest. It is not a noble thing to spend your life doing drugs.

Enlightenment also,for sure. You (I assume,from reading your posts) and I do it for this reason. But you must admit it is a fucking blast! :wink: 


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: sirreal]
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When taking into concideration the idea that Leary's short-comings as a father somehow stain his image as a great teacher and person, you really have to concider which is the greater good, just as a few other people have stated. In my opinion Leary's postive impact on the world far outweighs any failure as a father. He was a father figure to more than just his children.


In keeping with the christian theme started earlier in the thread by pointing the humor in such a closed minded article I'll post a verse from the bible that this conversation reminded me of:


"While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
Someone told him, 'Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.'
He replied to him, 'Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?'
Pointing to his disciples, he said, 'Here are my mother and my brothers.'" -Matthew 12:46-12:49 (NIV)

This seems to be an interesting viewpoint to take into concideration when debating Leary's sucess as a father. Just for the record I don't formally support the bible or it's teachings, not to say I'm againt it either.


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: sirreal]
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sirreal said:
silversoul7 said:
Leary does not strike me as a hedonist.  He advocated the use of LSD for spiritual enlightenment.  Not to get fucked up. 



Well silversoul, everyone that does drugs likes to get fucked up. Let's be honest. It is not a noble thing to spend your life doing drugs.

Enlightenment also,for sure. You (I assume,from reading your posts) and I do it for this reason. But you must admit it is a fucking blast! :wink: 


I view the pleasure of it all as a pleasant side effect, not the reason I do them.  Leary did LSD to expand his consciousness.  It was something he truly believed in.  Not just for the pleasure of it.


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: Hooty]
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Hooty said:
When taking into concideration the idea that Leary's short-comings as a father somehow stain his image as a great teacher and person, you really have to concider which is the greater good, just as a few other people have stated. In my opinion Leary's postive impact on the world far outweighs any failure as a father. He was a father figure to more than just his children.



And as has also been stated,what greater good did he accomplish?

If a man neglects his own family (especially his children) it makes me suspicious of him as a person. That is how I feel.



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"While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
Someone told him, 'Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.'
He replied to him, 'Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?'
Pointing to his disciples, he said, 'Here are my mother and my brothers.'" -Matthew 12:46-12:49 (NIV)



Jesus was not referring to children here. What was that other scripture, the one where he said not to forbid the little children to come to him? For such is the kingdom of heaven.

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Just for the record I don't formally support the bible or it's teachings, not to say I'm againt it either.


Then why quote it?


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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:I view the pleasure of it all as a pleasant side effect, not the reason I do them. Leary did LSD to expand his consciousness. It was something he truly believed in. Not just for the pleasure of it.



First of all, it is extremely pleasurable to "expand your mind",is it not?

Also, The man was also a heavy drinker during periods in his life indicating a desire to get fucked up.

I never said it was just for the pleasure of it anyway.



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Re: amusing account of timothy leary from a baptist website... [Re: sirreal]
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Yes, mind-expansion can be extremely pleasurable. It can also be extremely disturbing for some. But event the bad trips can be helpful learning experiences. Leary was trying to start a revolution in consciousness, which might have succeeded if the government hadn't done so much to stop it.


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