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P2P and lawsuits!
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What are your opinions on the matter?  :nut:


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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Murex]
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its fucked.

the publishbers make 95% profit, and developers get the rest....

give me games/movies/apps/music for ~$5-10 and ill pay.


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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: SHiZNO]
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I think the RIAA has a very hard time trying to prove that the person named in the suit is the one that was sitting at the computer at the time of download. They may be able to trace a download to a particular household, but that doesn't mean they can prove who in that household was downloading music.

Even proving which household the download comes from is going to be difficult to prove. How do we know that the logs kept by the ISP are accurate and have not been tampered with.

I think the RIAA is hoping to scare people into compliance. If a suit gets to court, I think it will be very difficult for the RIAA to prove their case.


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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Seuss]
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This brings up an interesting question:

In order to prove in front of a jury you have to come up with a few concrete things: First and usually most important: Was the one on trial the one that committed the act?

This would be the same as someone robbing a bank, the police suspect someone (one person) in your family, so they arrest your entire family. I would belive when this got to court the lawyers would have a field day...

Whats to prevent a family from fighting it, they may have to put up the retainer, but in the end, how are their lawyers going to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, who commited the crime? Of course part of fighting it would be to counter sue for court fees, lost wages and what ever else you can stick to the greedy bastards.

I'm not one for lying to a court but I'm positive there are criminals who have gotten off on worse because their brother or sister didn't tell the whole truth (IE: "yeah, i was with my brother that night. --failing to mention the half-hour they took off.)

Edited by windex (09/10/03 11:09 AM)

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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: windex]
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The person that owns the computer is responsible for its use. The 12 year old girl's parents are a good example of this.

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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: shakta]
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> The person that owns the computer is responsible for its use.

Ahh... so if somebody steals my car and runs over somebody else, I am responsible since I own the car? Or if somebody breaks into my house and makes prank phone calls from my phone, I am responsible since I own the phone?

Even assuming that the owner of the computer is responsible for its use, how is the RIAA going to prove that it was my computer that they were talking with? I can spoof ethernet addresses pretty easily. I can spoof IP addresses, but that is more difficult. Unless they catch me red-handed in the act, or unless they get my computer and do a forensics analysis of it, they cannot prove diddly-squat.


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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Seuss]
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I think the only effective lawsuit would be against these P2P sites, not the people downloading music. It's just a skare taktic.

How is it so different from burning cds anyways and giving them away (Besides it being faster and cheaper)? I mean, it's essentially the same thing isn't it?


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What if all the world you think you know,
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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Murex]
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I think the only effective lawsuit would be against these P2P sites, not the people downloading music

And this would open the doors to sue gun makers because someone got shot. Or suing the phone company because someone used the phone lines to commit a crime.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.10/fileshare.html

Read the above, its rather interesting.


They NEED to be goinging after the "REAL" piraters, those that mass produce hard to distiguish from the real, those are the ones taking the major chunk of the cash. Most file downloaders would have never bought the music anyway, while the people buying the duplicates were going to be giving them the money they want so bad.


Edited by windex (09/10/03 09:24 PM)

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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: windex]
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> They NEED to be goinging after the "REAL" piraters, those that mass produce hard to distiguish from the real

Ding!  Wow, somebody else that can see the light... woohoo!  :smile:

They also need to lower their prices a bit, which would increase volume and raise profits.  It costs the RIAA something like a quarter to make a CD which we then buy for around 15 bucks.  How many more CDs would you buy if they only cost you five bucks a disc?



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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Seuss]
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I download music. And if I like the music of a particular musician or band, I will no doubt go purchase the cd. Downloading an mp3 is a preview to see if the over-priced $19 cd is even worth it.

The premise that downloaders are stealing music and stealing money from the musicians/industry is not entirely accurate.


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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Seuss]
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more CDs would you buy if they only cost you five bucks a disc?

Still strugling as a student im reluctant to spend money on anything i dont NEED, heck im heisitant to spend 5 bucks on something new at a resturant because i dont want to be out the 5 bucks if i dont like it.

But it would finnally make purchesing a cd on impulse actually considerable.

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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: windex]
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Exactly!!!


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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Xochitl]
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I can honestly say there isn't but a few CDs I could actually listen to completely through. Therefore, I don't buy them. Why are you going to buy a full CD just to hear one song?

RIAA also makes a big deal out of nothing. They claim file sharing accounts for a 30% drop in record sales, yet it is closer to 3%. The bands still get their share, its the record companies that complain. Though its not like they aren't already making enough of the band's profits.

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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: TinMan]
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Here's sonething you guys might find interesting.

In the UK on BBC news24 last week or the week before, they reported that CD album sales in the UK were up substancially, but profits were down due to more competition.

There was no mention of mp3s.


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Re: P2P and lawsuits! [Re: Scvotto_Turellskey]
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The RIAA whines like little bitches and gives these ridiciclous figures that shows all the money they are losing,but they fail to take into acount that the economy is shit right now and people are buying less of everything.And I don't know hey they arrive at these statistics-how do you lose money you never had?

How come most indy lables aren't bitching about file sharing? Maybe because they actually produce music people want to hear(I'm talking about albums-not a single or two) and they don't pass on the huge cost it takes to promote and market music to consumers.


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Edited by monoamine (09/14/03 12:33 AM)

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