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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
Icelander said:
:lol: And each person thinks they know what that higher understanding is.  It's the same ol crap in a different cloak.


What makes you different?


Icelander was making a solid point there. Also, I believe he is different in that I don't see him parading around in his cloak on every thread posted on the shroomery...


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ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!


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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Deviate]
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Interesting. I had never heard about the spheres of Yesod-Hod-Netzach or Geburah-Tiphereth-Chesed. Where can I learn more about these spheres?



And I am assuming that this explains why the Bible warns that sorcerers will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Is sorcery similar to or different from the pursuit of Siddhis or yogic powers which is considered ill advised by Hindus?

Hindus or Zen Buddhists. Siddhis are Makyo, illusion, even more involvement in desire and form than the physical plane alone. Read Bhagavan Das' It's here Now (Are You?), and see his account of desire-based siddhis.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
tribesman said:
" In order to be able to decide if  the prophet is telling the truth or lying, we shall have to investigate the mystical experience for ourselves. This can be done in two ways: from the outside, by studying the biographies and writings of  the saints; and from the inside, by following the instructions they have given us." — Christopher Isherwood, Vedanta for The Western World


Jesus suggests another way. By their fruits you will know them, he says. A good tree can only bare good fruit and a rotten tree only bares rotten fruit.

Question for anyone who wishes to answer: What do you think Jesus meant by this? I mean how to tell what kind of fruit someone produces?



I think "fruits" can be substituted with "company"
Surround yourself with good people, you will tend to do good things imo...Generally speaking.

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
tribesman said:
" In order to be able to decide if  the prophet is telling the truth or lying, we shall have to investigate the mystical experience for ourselves. This can be done in two ways: from the outside, by studying the biographies and writings of  the saints; and from the inside, by following the instructions they have given us." — Christopher Isherwood, Vedanta for The Western World


Jesus suggests another way. By their fruits you will know them, he says. A good tree can only bare good fruit and a rotten tree only bares rotten fruit.

Question for anyone who wishes to answer: What do you think Jesus meant by this? I mean how to tell what kind of fruit someone produces?

I think for a person you know well, it shouldn't be too difficult to look at their life and how they treat you and others to see if they have good will and compassion. But how do you tell regarding prophets you don't know personally or who may no longer even be alive?


The proof is always in the pudding.

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
Icelander said:
:lol: And each person thinks they know what that higher understanding is.  It's the same ol crap in a different cloak.


What makes you different?



Did I say I was?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Interesting. I had never heard about the spheres of Yesod-Hod-Netzach or Geburah-Tiphereth-Chesed. Where can I learn more about these spheres?



And I am assuming that this explains why the Bible warns that sorcerers will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Is sorcery similar to or different from the pursuit of Siddhis or yogic powers which is considered ill advised by Hindus?

Hindus or Zen Buddhists. Siddhis are Makyo, illusion, even more involvement in desire and form than the physical plane alone. Read Bhagavan Das' It's here Now (Are You?), and see his account of desire-based siddhis.



You're assuming a reality in the first place.  If you look to Chinese fake Tibetan style Buddhism sometimes called Chinese Mahayana you'll see lots of poseurs - hideous caricatures of lamas doing all kinds of slight of hand miracles. A lot of China is bumfuck backwards. 

Before the notion of actual sidhis, one must consider the more usual daily occurrence of imposters who are just raking in the money. I know if I was Jesus and I cared about my peeps I would warn them off those fallow fellows myself.

I daresay, Good fellow, that if in the age iof instant communication one still only hear tales of sidhis then they were no more common when the world was a wider place.  But the scarcity of news must have make stories even larger than life on top of there being little reality. Imagine waking up one day and your flat world was gone, replaced by a sphere which revolves endlessly under your feet forever. The horror.


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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: eve69]
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You already have a teacher. You just need to find Him. Your Higher Self is the personal relationship with the universe. At these intersections, you can learn any form of magic from any time or space. You merely have to realize, you are creating a wormhole. Manifest what is on the other side of the wormhole, and you will make that bridge occur with our world. Just remember who you are. No matter what anyone tells you, there is beauty in magic, just as there is magic in beauty. You can find it for yourself. Seek the faerie. Seek the gnome. But most of all, seek the inner self. The things which beckon you to a place of comfort and wonder, are truly the realms where good magic can be found, and others will experience it regardless of their own interpretation because YOU are manifesting it. Channel out that purest intention, something beautiful, and turn from the corruptibility of its essence wherever your ego might cast its shadow. Steer clear of Void (Black) magic. Though the balance is maintained in your daily life, stretching open the void will cause the membrane to tear. Be careful with the fabric of time and space, as though it were your own, for it always has and forever will be, lest you commit genocide of entire dimensions of time and space.

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: benjaminlong]
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benjaminlong said:
The Chronic said:
what exactly do you want to learn?


Astral projection. I also have an interest in Shamanism.  The occult in general


I could teach you some astral projection techniques but I am no master yet. I could actually give you a lot of info but it would take some work to bring it all together...

Shammanic journeying is a cool way to step into the other world when sober but I only ever found one site(thewayofthewildrose.com) that has since disapeared. There is a lot of new age fluffy bunny bullshit out there in modren shamanism ime. As for legit occult like goetia and energywork and ritual magick there are better forums then this one to he honest. I don't know enough of the occult to teach but I could point you in the right direction.

How bout we make a deal? You teach me about wicca and I teach what I know? Win-win right?

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
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In this area one of my gurus used to say that necessity made jet airplanes but it took a very great need and a huge amount of work.  I think there's some truth to that.  It may take a bit of searching if you're looking for a teacher.

But two suggestions / thoughts for you:

1.  You're casting a small net, and as others have suggested astral projection and other siddhis, even if real and taken at face value (rather a large assumption already), are trivial compared to true spiritual growth.  If you look for the latter you may find more possibilities that are, so to speak, right in front of you.

2.  Be very very careful about looking for, and interacting with, a teacher.  It can be a profound relationship if you find the right one(s) and manage the relationship(s) with great care, but is fraught with peril for both student and teacher. A relationship that begins with misplaced trust and then turns sour can lead to years of bitterness and despair.

Good luck to you.


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Come, come, whoever you are.
Wanderer, worshiper, lover of living, it doesn't matter
Ours is not a caravan of despair.
Come even if you have broken your vow a thousand times,
Come, yet again, come, come

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
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The mind wouldn't be capable of astral projection if it wasn't ment to be used. Things that make life awesome and things that make life fufilling don't have to mutally exculsive. This is a forum for psilocybin mushrooms after all...

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Psilopsychosis]
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Psilopsychosis said:
The mind wouldn't be capable of astral projection if it wasn't ment to be used. Things that make life awesome and things that make life fufilling don't have to mutally exculsive. This is a forum for psilocybin mushrooms after all...


We're capable of doing many things that don't advance our happiness, so it's not just the capability.  And I didn't contend that siddhis are mutually exclusive with other forms of spiritual development, I just characterized them as a lower order goal. 

On that front, I guess I could cite Patanjali, who had a similar view about siddhis to mine, and I guess I could also point out that they are the sort of things that can get you further enmeshed in and attached to a changeful world in an unproductive way, which in turn can be a source of unhappiness (engagement with the world can also be sacred, but that's a longer discussion).  But the truth is that, although I believe it very strongly, it's ultimately a value judgment on my part that self realization, fostered by humility, love and service, is a higher goal.  If you happen to take a different view, I certainly respect that.


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Come, come, whoever you are.
Wanderer, worshiper, lover of living, it doesn't matter
Ours is not a caravan of despair.
Come even if you have broken your vow a thousand times,
Come, yet again, come, come

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Mahananda]
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Yo Benjamin, my teacher is Jesus Christ.  He's never let me down, and He's really easy to get a hold of.  All you need to do is ask him to be in your life.

May not sound exciting or mystical, but my relationship with Christ has led me to a deeper, and more meaningful connection to life.

Peace


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John 4:14 - but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” - Jesus Christ

"People think love is an emotion.  Love is good sense." - Ken Kesey

If you get confused, listen to the music play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E5JkPMB2DY[/url]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QTPndsG_KA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6bM4XfqRRQ

Edited by LifeBoy (09/24/13 10:04 PM)

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Mahananda]
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Mahananda said:
Psilopsychosis said:
The mind wouldn't be capable of astral projection if it wasn't ment to be used. Things that make life awesome and things that make life fufilling don't have to mutally exculsive. This is a forum for psilocybin mushrooms after all...


We're capable of doing many things that don't advance our happiness, so it's not just the capability.  And I didn't contend that siddhis are mutually exclusive with other forms of spiritual development, I just characterized them as a lower order goal. 

On that front, I guess I could cite Patanjali, who had a similar view about siddhis to mine, and I guess I could also point out that they are the sort of things that can get you further enmeshed in and attached to a changeful world in an unproductive way, which in turn can be a source of unhappiness (engagement with the world can also be sacred, but that's a longer discussion).  But the truth is that, although I believe it very strongly, it's ultimately a value judgment on my part that self realization, fostered by humility, love and service, is a higher goal.  If you happen to take a different view, I certainly respect that.



I also respect your view. Very much. Understand though that freeing yourself from the illusions and suffering of this world is one spiritual path. Popular with Eastern faiths and some new age and a few Christian groups. Thats cool in my books, for sure. Another less known spiritual path is to use the illusions of this matrix reality to help other people by keeping man  in harmony with nature and spreading positive vibrations. Astral projection and shamanic journeying are not necessary but they do help to inspire the individual and every world changing movement starts with a group of individuals. Think of it this way:

A group of people are stranded on an island. Lets say this island is filled with perils; huge snakes, poisonous ants, itchy jungle plants and flesh eating parasites. The original inhabitants of this island are long dead but their ancestors are still around. Someone figured out how to make vodka from the wild yams that grow on the island long ago and that is what most of the islanders do most the time to take their mind off of how terrible life is. A small group of people spend all their time building a boat so they can go back to where life was perfect. Another small group of people spend all their time telling people life wouldn't be so bad if the islanders looked on the sunny side of life. Which group is better?—it is not for me to say.

I am just yin to your yang, thats all man. We aren't so different.

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Psilopsychosis] * 1
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And is it a siddhi if it only effects you? I mean no girl is going to give you head because of a OBE you had.

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Psilopsychosis]
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Psilopsychosis said:
I also respect your view. Very much. Understand though that freeing yourself from the illusions and suffering of this world is one spiritual path. Popular with Eastern faiths and some new age and a few Christian groups. Thats cool in my books, for sure. Another less known spiritual path is to use the illusions of this matrix reality to help other people by keeping man  in harmony with nature and spreading positive vibrations. Astral projection and shamanic journeying are not necessary but they do help to inspire the individual and every world changing movement starts with a group of individuals. Think of it this way:

A group of people are stranded on an island. Lets say this island is filled with perils; huge snakes, poisonous ants, itchy jungle plants and flesh eating parasites. The original inhabitants of this island are long dead but their ancestors are still around. Someone figured out how to make vodka from the wild yams that grow on the island long ago and that is what most of the islanders do most the time to take their mind off of how terrible life is. A small group of people spend all their time building a boat so they can go back to where life was perfect. Another small group of people spend all their time telling people life wouldn't be so bad if the islanders looked on the sunny side of life. Which group is better?—it is not for me to say.

I am just yin to your yang, thats all man. We aren't so different.


Many thanks for your words, which I very much appreciate.  What you're getting at is very similar to where I was going with the parenthetical about finding the sacred in engagement with life, and it reminds me of an essay in the Appendix to my copy of The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna that I think you might enjoy.  The essay is a discussion of tantra based on an an article published in 1937 by the Sri Ramakrishna Centenary Committee. Here's a snippet:

Quote:
When one realizes that the whole process of creation, preservation, and destruction is but the manifestation of the lila, or sportive pleasure, of Shiva-Shakti, one does not see anything carnal or gross in the universe; for such a person everything becomes an expression of Shiva-Shakti. The special technique of the Tantric discipline is to transform the outgoing current of diversification into the return current of gradual integration, to gather separation, polarity, and even opposition into identification, harmony, and peace.



I recently found a full copy of the Appendix online:
http://www.iloveulove.com/spirituality/hindu/realtantra.htm


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Come, come, whoever you are.
Wanderer, worshiper, lover of living, it doesn't matter
Ours is not a caravan of despair.
Come even if you have broken your vow a thousand times,
Come, yet again, come, come

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Mahananda]
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Ya I decided I am not ready to teach anyone anything until I get my own shit figured out.

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: Psilopsychosis]
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???


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post-Psilocybin.  post-Psilocin.  post-Psilocybe.  post-Stropharia.  post-Banisteriopsis Caapi.

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Re: Looking for a teacher [Re: rhodopsin]
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You look like you have a question.

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