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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14221821 - 04/01/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

GUYS LISTEN.

HE WAS FULL OF FUCKING SHIT. A MINIUPULATOR. FUCKED HIS ADOPTED DAUGHTER.

CULT LEADER. THERE WAS NO DON JUAN. NO SHAMAN. A FUCKING FAIRY TALE FOR MONEY AND POWER.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221881 - 04/01/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

u wish  :tmckenna:


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221924 - 04/01/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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GUYS LISTEN.

HE WAS FULL OF FUCKING SHIT. A MINIUPULATOR. FUCKED HIS ADOPTED DAUGHTER.

CULT LEADER. THERE WAS NO DON JUAN. NO SHAMAN. A FUCKING FAIRY TALE FOR MONEY AND POWER.



so? That doesn't change the quality of the books.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
    #14222011 - 04/01/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot] * 1
    #14222075 - 04/01/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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GUYS LISTEN.

HE WAS FULL OF FUCKING SHIT. A MINIUPULATOR. FUCKED HIS ADOPTED DAUGHTER.

CULT LEADER. THERE WAS NO DON JUAN. NO SHAMAN. A FUCKING FAIRY TALE FOR MONEY AND POWER.




lol chill man, its a discussion. If you want to present some evidence for your claims rather than caps-locking it up, maybe we will understand why you're so certain. I watched all the evidence presented against him in the OPs video and IMO it proves nothing about the origin of his material, only where it didn't come from. If you read up on what tribes say about their own traditions, there are medicine men, or shaman figures, and then there are much darker, much more solitary individuals that people go to for curses, poisons, etc. For the most part, these individuals are avoided like the plague and those who do visit them are anything but open about it.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14222172 - 04/01/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im not going to spend the time of day. .


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222180 - 04/01/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lolwut?


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14222188 - 04/01/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222208 - 04/01/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Attempting to maliciously discredit ideas is not tolerated, although debate within the given topic is encouraged. If you wish to critically analyze and argue a position, consider visiting our Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum instead.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14222215 - 04/01/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lol malaciously discredit a cult leader. All i suggest is YOU do some research.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot] * 1
    #14222266 - 04/01/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't really care whether or not he is a cult leader.
Or whether or not the character don Juan is fictional.
All I care about, are the messages within his novels, that allow me to remember to live my life impeccably and to not take things so serious sometimes;
as well as take things for granted.

There is something terribly wrong here, I think I am going to leave if you don't tell me what's going on.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222385 - 04/01/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.



Who said anything about beliefs?


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
    #14222401 - 04/01/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.



Who said anything about beliefs?



Not me. apparently. Am I missing something?


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222445 - 04/01/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.



Who said anything about beliefs?



Not me. apparently. Am I missing something?




In bold

It just seems to me you're confusing reading and finding something interesting with believing and accepting as fact.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
    #14222453 - 04/01/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Apparently these dudes believe that bullshit. Why else would they defend it? Come on bro...


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222489 - 04/01/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It just seems to me you're confusing reading and finding something interesting with believing and accepting as fact.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222498 - 04/01/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Without a sense of belief in something, there really is no future. We fail to see our own tomorrow, and if we cannot see our own tomorrow, we will fail to have one." KRS-one










“Our future is with us right now. The future is your present moment, the future is whatever you decide, it is the actual realm of creativity where your ideas are instantly real.”

"One of the most important things you have is a future."
"No matter what your situation is like now, you can always turn and create YOUR future to what it is going to be."

"Future comes from the Latin, Futurus, meaning ABOUT TO BE. Traditionally, the term future describes events not yet in the present, but what event of the MIND is not in the present? If we can describe IT now, then IT is with us NOW, even if IT is about to be. Our minds make things real to us, before they become physically real to everyone else. In other words, our future is with us RIGHT NOW. Your future is NOW."

"Why wish for health, love, awareness, and wealth, when you can simply plan health, love, awareness, and wealth into your future right now."

-To me, this is an extremely important philosophy to have. WE are the creators. I AM the creator. I have all the power in the world to do the unthinkable. There is no limitations to what you can achieve if you respect your future. I desire health, love, and awareness. Currently, I feel, I have a strong hold in all three of those issues. My health is phenomenal (to my standards), my love is at an all time personal high, and my awareness to the world is ever growing. My long term goal is to help people. Yes, generally stated, but in my mind I vision things I cannot yet speak on. I am creating that long term goal in my future. It is with me right now. I am the creator of it. This is the ultimate self-help lesson. The lesson and power of the future.



"Spiritual teachers of all kinds warned that there is no freedom or peace with one's preoccupation with one's future. I believe this to be true, but I also know that as you attempt to actually walk and live such a practice, you find out rather quickly that such a life requires some preparation to achieve. If you must adjust your life to live in the now, then even your adjustment is futuristic in reality, it still must be planned for."

SELF CREATION:

"From what I say, many goodhearted people suffer not from living in the past, they suffer more from not being able to see their futures."

"Many people feel they can't make a difference anymore due to institutional racism, discriminatory justice, corrupt political leadership, corrupt school systems and so on, and so on..."

"Without a sense of belief in something, there really is no future, we fail to see our own tomorrow and if we fail to see our own tomorrow, will fail to have one."

"Neglect for one's future is a literal act of self destruction. The one who respects ones future is responsible in ones present. Such a person has the capacity to think of the well-being for those who are yet to be. Your future is whatever you decide it is going to be. It is truly the cosmic sketchpad of your life."

-See if we all committed to our future we would live in a much more peaceful existence as we would then know that what we built the life we wanted to live. This post also puts an emphasis on the positives of a religion, or faith. Without a sense of belief, there is no future. It holds true in my view. I've gone through stages on the highest extremes. I've been a hardcore believer in nothing, and a stout believer in 'God.' When I believed in 'nothing,' it was hard for me to motivate myself. I still ate moderately healthy, had a lot of fun, but it was all for the extreme now. If I felt the need to go outside and play basketball, that's what I did, regardless of anything else. For many who don't have the love of playing basketball and eating salads to save them in times of belief of nothingness, the outcome is disastrous. Think alcohol, excessive partying during college, excessive money spent on useless items or not needed items, the list goes on and on. Having a belief in something allows a purpose. It could be anything, small or big, believe in yourself. Believe in your I AM presence, whatever it is, have a philosophy, a faith, that helps and motivates you. This is why I choose, in general a view of a God, a view of a purpose over anything else. The details of a type of religion or movement I choose will be highly examined, felt, or witnessed, but for now I believe in my purpose.




"If an electrician walked into a room with a unskilled person, it is safe to say they would have two different views on the room."

-It is simply a matter of awareness. This example above, presented by KRS-One, weighs a ton. Through different awareness, the ONE room changes multiple times. An electrician has his own view, an architect has her own view, an unskilled man has his own view, and so on. The observers knowledge allows the ONE room to have multiple visuals. Taking it a step deeper, when you add other conscious minds to a room, an entire different view of the room would emerge. If you have one individual with no connections to anyone in the party, and another who is a direct family member to every individual, the entire vision of the room changes. The family member may know deep secrets of each person, and hold personal, inside jokes. He may know their smiles by heart, know what will make them happy, and what will make them sad. The outside individual would generally produce stereotypes before approaching one of them, have different views on what would make them happy, and what wouldn't. The issue here is the importance of awareness combined with intelligence. You mold yourself with your knowledge, your philosophies, your stereotypes. Do you want to go to a party with a low, hateful attitude of everyone? What will the outcome of the night be? In another post on the forum discussing Eddie Brocks 'Larger Than Life,' [HERE] I discuss the importance of what you let in through your eyes. This example by KRS-One further backs up this point. If you are being deceived, corrupted through various mediums, your eyes will then lead your visuals of a situation straight to what they've been lead to believe, or see.

"The point is that your perception of your environment is created by the amount of knowledge that you have. Your reality is based upon your awareness, which comes by way of knowledge or inspiration. The more things we know and feel, the more things we can see. Anything the brain doesn't have a word for, we cannot see. It sorda overlooks the object. You don't see what you have never seen. "

"What are you trained to see? What are you capable of seeing. A limited vocabulary produces a limited vision of one's self and one's environment."


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14222508 - 04/01/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thats the mind set that allows manipulation and cults to be formed.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222534 - 04/01/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's the mindset that allows you to find yourself.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222537 - 04/01/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Apparently these dudes believe that bullshit. Why else would they defend it? Come on bro...




Asking you to clarify your stance is an attempt at communication, nothing more. Feel free to keep your ideas shrowded in mystery while telling others what to believe tho, that usually goes a long way.


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