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Carlos Castaneda
    #14206801 - 03/29/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Carlos Castaneda BBC 2006

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8F57ED0B145B2F50

I have wondered why people have said that he destroyed many lives. This shows why people say that.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: teknix]
    #14206923 - 03/29/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I just got done watching that. Interesting stuff. I wonder about the end days in relation to the rest of his life. The guy was creative as hell and seems to have grasped what it meant to embody unconscious drives. Probably what made him so charistmatic :lol:


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14207060 - 03/29/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't want to judge him, but some of the things he said ring true, rather it was just words from another or his own, I don't think I will ever know.

I cant comment on all of his works, I only read a couple books a long time ago.

It did help me to see why some don't like him.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: teknix]
    #14208339 - 03/30/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would say it's a matter of point of view..
Has he really destroyed those lives? He gave them purpose and something to live and die for.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: cbub]
    #14208681 - 03/30/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My opinion on CC is that his works are spot on but he overcomplicates it and it can be a little confusing at times. At the same time there are some amazing quotes in there.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #14215731 - 03/31/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"But you don't consider yourself a sorcerer, don Juan, do you?" I asked

"No, I don't," he said. "I am a warrior who sees. In fact all of us are los nuevos videntes -- the new seers. The old seers were the sorcerers."

". . .Seeing is a peculiar feeling of knowing . . ."

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14216029 - 03/31/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've read the first two books he wrote and they have truly changed my perspestive on reality. Reading his books is more powerful than any psychedelic you can ever take.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: NicoCL]
    #14216224 - 03/31/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've read the first two books he wrote and they have truly changed my perspestive on reality. Reading his books is more powerful than any psychedelic you can ever take.




I agree, there have been many strange occurrences that happen while I read his books.

Once I was reading Tales of Power, and my next door neighbor's dog started barking (it's locked in a cage and never has been given much attention by its owner)

and while that was happening,

this is what I read:

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Listen to that dog’s barking. That is the way my beloved earth is helping me now to bring this last point to you. That barking is the saddest thing one can hear. That dog’s barking is the nocturnal voice of a man. It comes from a house in that valley towards the south. A man is shouting through his dog, since they are companion slaves for life, his sadness, his boredom. He’s begging his death to come and release him from the dull and dreary chains of his life. That barking, and the loneliness it creates, speaks of the feelings of men, men for whom an entire life was like one Sunday afternoon, an afternoon which was not altogether miserable, but rather hot and dull and uncomfortable. They sweated and fussed a great deal. They didn’t know where to go, or what to do. That afternoon left them only with the memory of petty annoyances and tedium, and then suddenly it was over; it was already night.




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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14217618 - 03/31/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

". . .Seeing is a peculiar feeling of knowing . . ."

Yeah, he said some pretty good stuff.

Or sum1 did and he wrote it, lol.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14217828 - 03/31/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NicoCL said:
I've read the first two books he wrote and they have truly changed my perspestive on reality. Reading his books is more powerful than any psychedelic you can ever take.




I agree, there have been many strange occurrences that happen while I read his books.

Once I was reading Tales of Power, and my next door neighbor's dog started barking (it's locked in a cage and never has been given much attention by its owner)

and while that was happening,

this is what I read:

Quote:

Listen to that dog’s barking. That is the way my beloved earth is helping me now to bring this last point to you. That barking is the saddest thing one can hear. That dog’s barking is the nocturnal voice of a man. It comes from a house in that valley towards the south. A man is shouting through his dog, since they are companion slaves for life, his sadness, his boredom. He’s begging his death to come and release him from the dull and dreary chains of his life. That barking, and the loneliness it creates, speaks of the feelings of men, men for whom an entire life was like one Sunday afternoon, an afternoon which was not altogether miserable, but rather hot and dull and uncomfortable. They sweated and fussed a great deal. They didn’t know where to go, or what to do. That afternoon left them only with the memory of petty annoyances and tedium, and then suddenly it was over; it was already night.







Yeah... I have refused to read anything beyond the one book I read of his, solely because it unnerved me so much. Similar to your experience, it resonated far too much with what was happening around me. I finished the book in a day and then resolved to never look back.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14217993 - 03/31/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think that's worth reconsidering Kickle.  There is a whole lot of really interesting stuff in the later ones.

Some my favorite parts are the ones where they talk about the "eagle" and the mold of man.  It's the closest description I have found for how I feel about things in general.  Regardless of whether it’s all fiction or not doesn’t matter to me.  Parts like those  surprised me, they were such similar descriptions of what I had been thinking and working out that I was dumbfounded.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
    #14218384 - 04/01/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The one I read was a later one
The Art of Dreaming


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14218422 - 04/01/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He was a cult leader full of shit and i believe Tools song eulogy was really about castaneda.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14218439 - 04/01/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

he could paint a reality with words and it always makes me think of this video to think about this sort of thing


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14219274 - 04/01/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah... I have refused to read anything beyond the one book I read of his, solely because it unnerved me so much. Similar to your experience, it resonated far too much with what was happening around me. I finished the book in a day and then resolved to never look back.




See, I don't find it unnerving. I find it really :awesome:, because that is what I associate "doin' thangs" with - And Carlos Castaneda's books are definitely doin' thangs. These strange occurrences that happen, I feel make me see thangs in a new perspective, and IDK. I feel like it's a lesson being taught at the moment. It's a definite synchronous moment, which usually makes me feel like there is something more to this life than we think. Which overall makes me :feelsgoodman:


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14220033 - 04/01/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah... I have refused to read anything beyond the one book I read of his, solely because it unnerved me so much.




I highly recommend Journey to Ixtlan

then tales of Power,

then whatever else,



but the first two books are the most misleading, and IMO anybody with decent perceptive powers after reading the books should be able to tell that carlos wasnt a con as much as an idiot and had no clue what he was supposed to be learning about in the first two books

and then the eagle's gift is by far the hardest one to really draw life lessons from, imo. I say save that one for last. Art of dreaming is cool but its more like a side chapter kinda thing.
The other books have much more profound little thangs that you will find applies to you whether you like it or not




they cite not being able to find the real life don Juan as evidence, yet in the books he clearly states that his real name and hometown are nobody's business..

i tell  u what. If carlos is the fraud some people think he is, then he'd have to be the most genius person ever to live and I just doubt that. If you read the books published that try to debunk castaneda, hopefully you can see the overly-western bias...its just ridiculous.


you either get it, or you dont. And at first, you probably wont get it as much as you think you do. Especially the first two books can be misleading. So it might give you a few radical ideas which will later be shattered and maybe you'll realize they were talking about something completely different


but NO other set of writing in my experience stands the same test of time. I can come back to random passages at random points in my life and be blown away in a whole new light. Or you can think its all a fraud and just scoff at it :shrug:




Quote:

He was a cult leader full of shit and i believe Tools song eulogy was really about castaneda.




and yet, in the books, don juan appointed him as "nagual" for a very good reason...

because he was an idiot

and so that everyone can see that ultimately, you're on your own


that's the great thang about those books. The real truths are there to be perceived, not read. You have to be able to spot trolling and such, you can't count on castaneda to know what he's writing about

:lol:



p.s: castaneda books are definitely doin thangs....and that is surely an understatement


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: the bizzle]
    #14221752 - 04/01/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You guys are mislead if you believe any of that cons bullshit. It's been PROVEN to be BULLSHIT. For fuck sakes get off the guys dick.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221782 - 04/01/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:rolleyes:

sounds like something :feelsbadman: would say


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14221803 - 04/01/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just because there is evidence, that evidence is subject to subjective interpretations. Which may or may not prove jack.

I dont' know if the man faked it or not, that is not the point.
The point is that his books are doin' thangs
beyond anything imaginable.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221805 - 04/01/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What I've seen of those trying to follow his trail, they seem to be sniffing in the wrong places. Carlos seemed to have been totally uninterested in a right hand path and would have preferred a left hand style "shaman", also known as a sorcerer. Looking to a shaman within a tribe, aka a right hand path follower, is of course going to look much different in terms of practices.

I don't see any evidence to disprove he found a sorcerer who played him like a fool.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14221821 - 04/01/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

GUYS LISTEN.

HE WAS FULL OF FUCKING SHIT. A MINIUPULATOR. FUCKED HIS ADOPTED DAUGHTER.

CULT LEADER. THERE WAS NO DON JUAN. NO SHAMAN. A FUCKING FAIRY TALE FOR MONEY AND POWER.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221881 - 04/01/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

u wish  :tmckenna:


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221924 - 04/01/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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GUYS LISTEN.

HE WAS FULL OF FUCKING SHIT. A MINIUPULATOR. FUCKED HIS ADOPTED DAUGHTER.

CULT LEADER. THERE WAS NO DON JUAN. NO SHAMAN. A FUCKING FAIRY TALE FOR MONEY AND POWER.



so? That doesn't change the quality of the books.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot] * 1
    #14222075 - 04/01/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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GUYS LISTEN.

HE WAS FULL OF FUCKING SHIT. A MINIUPULATOR. FUCKED HIS ADOPTED DAUGHTER.

CULT LEADER. THERE WAS NO DON JUAN. NO SHAMAN. A FUCKING FAIRY TALE FOR MONEY AND POWER.




lol chill man, its a discussion. If you want to present some evidence for your claims rather than caps-locking it up, maybe we will understand why you're so certain. I watched all the evidence presented against him in the OPs video and IMO it proves nothing about the origin of his material, only where it didn't come from. If you read up on what tribes say about their own traditions, there are medicine men, or shaman figures, and then there are much darker, much more solitary individuals that people go to for curses, poisons, etc. For the most part, these individuals are avoided like the plague and those who do visit them are anything but open about it.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14222172 - 04/01/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im not going to spend the time of day. .


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222180 - 04/01/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lolwut?


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14222188 - 04/01/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222208 - 04/01/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Attempting to maliciously discredit ideas is not tolerated, although debate within the given topic is encouraged. If you wish to critically analyze and argue a position, consider visiting our Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum instead.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14222215 - 04/01/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lol malaciously discredit a cult leader. All i suggest is YOU do some research.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot] * 1
    #14222266 - 04/01/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't really care whether or not he is a cult leader.
Or whether or not the character don Juan is fictional.
All I care about, are the messages within his novels, that allow me to remember to live my life impeccably and to not take things so serious sometimes;
as well as take things for granted.

There is something terribly wrong here, I think I am going to leave if you don't tell me what's going on.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222385 - 04/01/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.



Who said anything about beliefs?


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
    #14222401 - 04/01/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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donteatasians said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.



Who said anything about beliefs?



Not me. apparently. Am I missing something?


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222445 - 04/01/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Quote:

donteatasians said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Believe your little fairy tales all you want. Whatever floats your boat.



Who said anything about beliefs?



Not me. apparently. Am I missing something?




In bold

It just seems to me you're confusing reading and finding something interesting with believing and accepting as fact.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
    #14222453 - 04/01/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Apparently these dudes believe that bullshit. Why else would they defend it? Come on bro...


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222489 - 04/01/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It just seems to me you're confusing reading and finding something interesting with believing and accepting as fact.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222498 - 04/01/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Without a sense of belief in something, there really is no future. We fail to see our own tomorrow, and if we cannot see our own tomorrow, we will fail to have one." KRS-one










β€œOur future is with us right now. The future is your present moment, the future is whatever you decide, it is the actual realm of creativity where your ideas are instantly real.”

"One of the most important things you have is a future."
"No matter what your situation is like now, you can always turn and create YOUR future to what it is going to be."

"Future comes from the Latin, Futurus, meaning ABOUT TO BE. Traditionally, the term future describes events not yet in the present, but what event of the MIND is not in the present? If we can describe IT now, then IT is with us NOW, even if IT is about to be. Our minds make things real to us, before they become physically real to everyone else. In other words, our future is with us RIGHT NOW. Your future is NOW."

"Why wish for health, love, awareness, and wealth, when you can simply plan health, love, awareness, and wealth into your future right now."

-To me, this is an extremely important philosophy to have. WE are the creators. I AM the creator. I have all the power in the world to do the unthinkable. There is no limitations to what you can achieve if you respect your future. I desire health, love, and awareness. Currently, I feel, I have a strong hold in all three of those issues. My health is phenomenal (to my standards), my love is at an all time personal high, and my awareness to the world is ever growing. My long term goal is to help people. Yes, generally stated, but in my mind I vision things I cannot yet speak on. I am creating that long term goal in my future. It is with me right now. I am the creator of it. This is the ultimate self-help lesson. The lesson and power of the future.



"Spiritual teachers of all kinds warned that there is no freedom or peace with one's preoccupation with one's future. I believe this to be true, but I also know that as you attempt to actually walk and live such a practice, you find out rather quickly that such a life requires some preparation to achieve. If you must adjust your life to live in the now, then even your adjustment is futuristic in reality, it still must be planned for."

SELF CREATION:

"From what I say, many goodhearted people suffer not from living in the past, they suffer more from not being able to see their futures."

"Many people feel they can't make a difference anymore due to institutional racism, discriminatory justice, corrupt political leadership, corrupt school systems and so on, and so on..."

"Without a sense of belief in something, there really is no future, we fail to see our own tomorrow and if we fail to see our own tomorrow, will fail to have one."

"Neglect for one's future is a literal act of self destruction. The one who respects ones future is responsible in ones present. Such a person has the capacity to think of the well-being for those who are yet to be. Your future is whatever you decide it is going to be. It is truly the cosmic sketchpad of your life."

-See if we all committed to our future we would live in a much more peaceful existence as we would then know that what we built the life we wanted to live. This post also puts an emphasis on the positives of a religion, or faith. Without a sense of belief, there is no future. It holds true in my view. I've gone through stages on the highest extremes. I've been a hardcore believer in nothing, and a stout believer in 'God.' When I believed in 'nothing,' it was hard for me to motivate myself. I still ate moderately healthy, had a lot of fun, but it was all for the extreme now. If I felt the need to go outside and play basketball, that's what I did, regardless of anything else. For many who don't have the love of playing basketball and eating salads to save them in times of belief of nothingness, the outcome is disastrous. Think alcohol, excessive partying during college, excessive money spent on useless items or not needed items, the list goes on and on. Having a belief in something allows a purpose. It could be anything, small or big, believe in yourself. Believe in your I AM presence, whatever it is, have a philosophy, a faith, that helps and motivates you. This is why I choose, in general a view of a God, a view of a purpose over anything else. The details of a type of religion or movement I choose will be highly examined, felt, or witnessed, but for now I believe in my purpose.




"If an electrician walked into a room with a unskilled person, it is safe to say they would have two different views on the room."

-It is simply a matter of awareness. This example above, presented by KRS-One, weighs a ton. Through different awareness, the ONE room changes multiple times. An electrician has his own view, an architect has her own view, an unskilled man has his own view, and so on. The observers knowledge allows the ONE room to have multiple visuals. Taking it a step deeper, when you add other conscious minds to a room, an entire different view of the room would emerge. If you have one individual with no connections to anyone in the party, and another who is a direct family member to every individual, the entire vision of the room changes. The family member may know deep secrets of each person, and hold personal, inside jokes. He may know their smiles by heart, know what will make them happy, and what will make them sad. The outside individual would generally produce stereotypes before approaching one of them, have different views on what would make them happy, and what wouldn't. The issue here is the importance of awareness combined with intelligence. You mold yourself with your knowledge, your philosophies, your stereotypes. Do you want to go to a party with a low, hateful attitude of everyone? What will the outcome of the night be? In another post on the forum discussing Eddie Brocks 'Larger Than Life,' [HERE] I discuss the importance of what you let in through your eyes. This example by KRS-One further backs up this point. If you are being deceived, corrupted through various mediums, your eyes will then lead your visuals of a situation straight to what they've been lead to believe, or see.

"The point is that your perception of your environment is created by the amount of knowledge that you have. Your reality is based upon your awareness, which comes by way of knowledge or inspiration. The more things we know and feel, the more things we can see. Anything the brain doesn't have a word for, we cannot see. It sorda overlooks the object. You don't see what you have never seen. "

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14222508 - 04/01/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thats the mind set that allows manipulation and cults to be formed.


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    #14222534 - 04/01/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's the mindset that allows you to find yourself.


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    #14222537 - 04/01/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Apparently these dudes believe that bullshit. Why else would they defend it? Come on bro...




Asking you to clarify your stance is an attempt at communication, nothing more. Feel free to keep your ideas shrowded in mystery while telling others what to believe tho, that usually goes a long way.


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    #14222576 - 04/01/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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He was a cult leader full of shit and i believe Tools song eulogy was really about castaneda.




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    #14222588 - 04/01/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It's the mindset that allows you to find yourself.



FInd Christ.
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    #14222595 - 04/01/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Know thy self, and thou shalt know
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    #14222603 - 04/01/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Know Christ for he is at the head of every man.


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    #14222677 - 04/01/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In the dangling conversation
And the superficial sighs,
The borders of our lives.


Can analysis be worthwhile?
Yes, we speak of things that matter..

And we sit and drink our coffee
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    #14224063 - 04/01/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You guys are mislead if you believe any of that cons bullshit. It's been PROVEN to be BULLSHIT. For fuck sakes get off the guys dick.




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I don't see any evidence to disprove he found a sorcerer who played him like a fool.




I think...

like Carlos

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    #14224566 - 04/02/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What point is that? I enjoy interpretatipons, if explained.


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    #14224886 - 04/02/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14225098 - 04/02/11 08:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What point is that? I enjoy interpretatipons, if explained.




you would just have to read through the books some more

I highly recommend Journey to Ixtlan first, then Tales of Power---

I would skip some of the other ones for a while



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I thought it was established that Carlos Castaneda was like 90% full of shit??

I don't have any sources but I remember my dad or somebody telling me that after Castaneda died one of his wives came out saying he basically made it all up? Dunno if that is true or not, but I have always heard that his accounts of Don Juan and the things that happened were at the very least quite questionable.




really? I herd Jesus was the savior of humankind and the only way to get into heaven

and that 7 hits of acid makes you legally insane

or even better, that the human race was genetically engineered by the annunaki


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    #14225203 - 04/02/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

quite frankly, despite whatever liberties Carlos Castaneda took for storytelling or entertainment purposes

if you read through ALL of the books

you will find that there are truths contained in them that apply to you on such a deep level

that it is almost as if a part of your body already knows some of these but have forgotten

there are a lot of things in those books that could mislead you, so try not to get too stuck in the details,

but you will feel it in your body when it is true



In my personal opinion, Carlos Castaneda was a bit of an idiot

you can tell by the consecutive writings that at first he had no idea what he was even supposed to be writing about



and for him to possibly fabricate some of that stuff

is just giving him way too much credit.

NOBODY is that clever a deceiver, I'm not saying he wasn't one, but you can forget all about him and thank yourself for reading those books again.

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    #14225373 - 04/02/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I thought it was established that Carlos Castaneda was like 90% full of shit??

I don't have any sources but I remember my dad or somebody telling me that after Castaneda died one of his wives came out saying he basically made it all up? Dunno if that is true or not, but I have always heard that his accounts of Don Juan and the things that happened were at the very least quite questionable.




He is 100% full of shit. People will believe this bullshit but dissmiss divine events such as god dying on the cross for us.
Come on. This is the problem with humans. People such as shroomery members are the type of minds that can easily be recruited into a cult. You all need to establish pillars. Make a pact with your self that adding anything or taking anything from your personal pillar should take extreme thinking over  aperiod of time.


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    #14227519 - 04/02/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you will find that there are truths contained in them that apply to you on such a deep level

NOBODY is that clever a deceiver, I'm not saying he wasn't one, but you can forget all about him and thank yourself for reading those books again.

the wisdom is far beyond that man




I've been told that some of my posts sound like they came out of the books even though I've never read any of them.

Some stuff is just universal...and anyone who can put it into words, even if he's making it "up" and borrowing sources will get noticed. 

Like Terence said once.  He wasn't special, but anyone who can talk about the psychedelic experience coherently gets a place at the table.


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    #14227819 - 04/02/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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People will believe this bullshit but dissmiss divine events such as god dying on the cross for us.





And?

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Come on. This is the problem with humans.





How is it a problem?
Humans are entitled to their own opinions and beliefs,
therefore I don't see a 'problem' with that. -- So what if people have differing opinions and beliefs?
That is what conversations are for; to share each other's perspective on 'reality' and exchange information with one another.

I tend to take everything with a grain of salt, and leave it at that, and not limit myself to one particular opinion or belief, but to combine all of that information, and shape and mold my own opinions and beliefs.


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People such as shroomery members are the type of minds that can easily be recruited into a cult.




Prejudice much?
Propaganda can easily sway ALL minds.
By the way, what is wrong with a cult? You recruited yourself into The Shroomery Cult.
Etymology: Cult. An organized group of people, religious or not, with whom you disagree. [Rawson]

To me,
"Cult" doesn't have to have a negative or positive connotation attached to it. Haphazardly applying "Cult" as a pejorative is completely irrational IMO.


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    #14228848 - 04/02/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Like Terence said once.  He wasn't special, but anyone who can talk about the psychedelic experience coherently gets a place at the table.




well he wrote a lot more useful/helpful stuff than mckenna, IMO (I'm guessing that's who you were referring to?)

and again, if you read the books, you will hopefully see that castaneda is a fool but that does nothing to change the fact that these are some of the most relevant (to life as a human being) books ever written.




I'm not trying to defend anybody's honor here. I'm just telling you, you would be doing yourself a favor to give the books a really good read or perhaps second look. I highly recommend starting with journey to ixtlan








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People will believe this bullshit but dissmiss divine events such as god dying on the cross for us.




you are either a troll, or an







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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: the bizzle]
    #14228883 - 04/02/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm a member of the church of christ, and a sinner. nothin more nothing less.


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    #14228931 - 04/02/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

fair enough, but you sure have a lot of opinions about it for nothing more nothing less

then again i notice your title says psilocybin is bullshit so i hope we've all had fun



anyway, to anybody who cares, forget everything you've heard and give the books a chance, starting with Journey to Ixtlan. You decide if it applies to you or not.


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    #14229005 - 04/02/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



:aweoverdose:
I eat the eyes and pray to see the emptiness inside of me
I eat the brain and pray to know anarchy of fallen angels
I want to be the enemy
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    #14229024 - 04/02/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I read enough of that voodo shit in the pen.


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    #14229418 - 04/03/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:puppetmaster:


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    #14229429 - 04/03/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you call me a puppet because i found purpose in life and follow christ?
You are a puppet. Indulge in sin.
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    #14229846 - 04/03/11 03:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The issue here joe is you are trying to force your reality on everyone else. You are trying to tell people they are wrong. Youre dmt is bullshit theory explains a lot. All you say is purely opinion based.  Your mom doesnt have anything to do with this.



Dear Joe Molly

Does your personality change based on the sub-forum you post in?  Or do you just not see a conflict between your posts in these two threads?
You do at least realize you're doing the exact thing in this thread that you're accusing Joemolly of, right. :ilold:


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    #14230085 - 04/03/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Like Terence said once.  He wasn't special, but anyone who can talk about the psychedelic experience coherently gets a place at the table.




well he wrote a lot more useful/helpful stuff than mckenna, IMO (I'm guessing that's who you were referring to?)

and again, if you read the books, you will hopefully see that castaneda is a fool but that does nothing to change the fact that these are some of the most relevant (to life as a human being) books ever written.




Hey Bizzle,

McKenna was talking about himself in that quote not Carlos.  I was just applying it more broadly.

So how do you reconcile the fact that Carlos is a fool, but wrote all this insightful stuff?  Do you think he borrowed it all...or that he was a kind of idiot savant type guy in a way or what?


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    #14230874 - 04/03/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:puppetmaster:




you call me a puppet because i found purpose in life and follow christ?
You are a puppet. Indulge in sin.
Satan is your puppet master.




Following Christ is one thing, belief in the bible is another story. Just read the timeline of the bible and you will know its a crock of shit. It was composed wayyyy after Jesus died for one and was changed essentially almost every 200 years by all sorts of people, Kings, Popes and all those other douche bags. Educate yourself


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Quote:

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:puppetmaster:




you call me a puppet because i found purpose in life and follow christ?
You are a puppet. Indulge in sin.
Satan is your puppet master.




Following Christ is one thing, belief in the bible is another story. Just read the timeline of the bible and you will know its a crock of shit. It was composed wayyyy after Jesus died for one and was changed essentially almost every 200 years by all sorts of people, Kings, Popes and all those other douche bags. Educate yourself



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    #14232867 - 04/03/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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you call me a puppet because i found purpose in life and follow christ?
You are a puppet. Indulge in sin.
Satan is your puppet master.





LOL

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    #14232930 - 04/03/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14232952 - 04/03/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

HyperSpaceMaggot is a puppet of a banned member.

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    #14233036 - 04/03/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is it OC?


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