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Building a semi-new PC
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Have:

-PSU
-Antec Case with tons of fans
-1 working 250gb SATA HD with Windows XP
-External 500gb HD
-Decent graphics card

Looking for:
-Motherboard
-Chip
-Windows 7
-Memory
-DVD burner
-Solid state HD


Need:
-Advice.  I'm not trying to blow over 1000 on some spectacular gaming machine.  I just want a quick computer for surfing the web and storing music.


Where can I get my sensitive little hand held for buying compatible PC shit?  I don't know what's compatible with what.

Also, if I have an HD with XP and HD with 7, will they both try to boot?


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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You need to understand main board interfaces. You should never buy parts before you have the main board. You didnt list the exact parts anyway. The processor fits into the main board socket, hdd or ssd almost always into SATA, depending if the board has onboard audio/video/network i/o you may need to buy expansion cards that more often then not fit into pci slots, you have internal usb connectors, the psu interface usually 16+4 pins or 20+4 connector, then you have ddr ram slots, plus you need to know the power consumption max usage of all devices. So how did you buy a psu without knowing the main board socket, power consumption of processor, what interfaces the board have and what type of power connector it uses, max processing watt usage of gpu, the amperage rail for each main board interface etc.

List more specifically the parts. I guess to start do you plan to buy a board that is atx form factor or mini atx form factor? Low profile? No? Standard Atx? How about what brand of processor? Intel or Amd? Im assuming you plan to install windows? Windows 8? Check windows 8 driver support for whatever type of board you plan to build the parts on and install windows to the drive after selecting it as the boot device from the bios


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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Society said:
Also, if I have an HD with XP and HD with 7, will they both try to boot?



Do you plan to install both drives within the pc and attempt to dual boot from one drive or another? Or are you referring to dual partitions? Once you select the boot drive the computer will boot to it each time until you select a different device from the bios by selecting boot order with correct f2 or f12 key from bios. Depending on main board manufacturer of course, with the exception f8 universally gets you into safe mode


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

Edited by CosmicJoke (06/20/13 10:41 AM)

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Blam


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Shroomism]
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I'd save up up or buy a few parts at a time and build a new PC...

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: CosmicJoke]
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imachavel said:
You need to understand main board interfaces. You should never buy parts before you have the main board. You didnt list the exact parts anyway. The processor fits into the main board socket, hdd or ssd almost always into SATA, depending if the board has onboard audio/video/network i/o you may need to buy expansion cards that more often then not fit into pci slots, you have internal usb connectors, the psu interface usually 16+4 pins or 20+4 connector, then you have ddr ram slots, plus you need to know the power consumption max usage of all devices. So how did you buy a psu without knowing the main board socket, power consumption of processor, what interfaces the board have and what type of power connector it uses, max processing watt usage of gpu, the amperage rail for each main board interface etc.

List more specifically the parts. I guess to start do you plan to buy a board that is atx form factor or mini atx form factor? Low profile? No? Standard Atx? How about what brand of processor? Intel or Amd? Im assuming you plan to install windows? Windows 8? Check windows 8 driver support for whatever type of board you plan to build the parts on and install windows to the drive after selecting it as the boot device from the bios




I need to clarify.  The parts that I listed as "have" are from the PC I am running now.  It's a seven year old HP.  When the PSU broke, I took the motherboard out and put it in a new Antec case with a new Antec 500W PSU and a decent graphics card someone gifted me.  The HD with XP on it is from the old computer.  These are the parts that I am keeping and desiring to carry on to the next computer.

Here is the mobo I CURRENTLY have and will be scrapping:
http://www.algogo.com/store/products/ASUS-P5LP%252dLE-Lithium2%252dUL8E-945P-HP-Compaq-Motherboard.html

My biggest question is regarding the following: how do I know what parts are compatible with what motherboard?  I'm not super retarded when it comes to PC parts, but I certainly benefit from having my hand held when building a PC or doing anything of the sorts. 

CosmicJoke said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157303 $70 H77 socket 1155 board

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775 $130 i3 ivy 3.3ghz dual core hyper threaded processor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 $65 8gb ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147192 $135 128GB Samsung 840 SSD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $19 dvd burner

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 windows 7 home premium $99

--- final price = $518



Thanks for the suggestion.  How do you know that all is compatible with one another?  Also, would it be worth upgrading to a "quad core?"


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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Yes it is worth it. And those parts are compatible. The main thing is that the Mobo / CPU / RAM are all compatible. And those are.

Look at the socket type on the mobo and CPU. CPU Socket Type - LGA 1155.
The RAM you just need some 1.3-1.65v DDR3. Everything CJ linked will work together. I would follow that advice.

All your old working parts you are keeping will work on that board fine.



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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Shroomism]
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Az0th said:
Yes it is worth it. And those parts are compatible. The main thing is that the Mobo / CPU / RAM are all compatible. And those are.

Look at the socket type on the mobo and CPU. CPU Socket Type - LGA 1155.
The RAM you just need some 1.3-1.65v DDR3. Everything CJ linked will work together. I would follow that advice.

All your old working parts you are keeping will work on that board fine.





Dont forget if he takes out that drive and throws it on a new motherboard he will have to re install all the drivers that arent generic to match all new devices on the main board, Id go ahead and back up all the files and buy windows 7 or 8 as suggested and re import all the files.

Not to mention Im assuming OP has the key board and mouse and monitor already. Better match up everything with that board and make sure the i/o for every device matches the interface on the board, assuming the keyboard and mouse are both usb and the monitor is hdmi of vga compatible


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157303 $70 H77 socket 1155 board

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775 $130 i3 ivy 3.3ghz dual core hyper threaded processor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 $65 8gb ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147192 $135 128GB Samsung 840 SSD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $19 dvd burner

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 windows 7 home premium $99

--- final price = $518



You forgot the heat sink fan

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

I also wouldnt mind matching up the psu he has directly with the specs of the board to make sure the psu isnt a 16+4 pin psu for a board that accepts a 20+4 pin power connector, just as an example.

I apologise if thats already been covered and I just missed it


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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Society said:
Thanks for the suggestion.  How do you know that all is compatible with one another?  Also, would it be worth upgrading to a "quad core?"



Well, it's an intel ivy bridge processor, which is compatible with all of the panther point motherboard chipsets - I chose the motherboard chipset with the feature set you'd need that is budget conscious.  If you were a serious gamer who wanted an SLI setup or an overclocked rig, I'd have directed you to a Z77 board or at least a Z75. All of the above would have been compatible with the i3 processor too, but entirely unnecessary for the needs you described and you'd just be throwing money away.

I see no reason for you to upgrade to a quad core, unless you are doing something like coding, video editing, or are a gaming enthusiast.  That said, that doesn't mean if you wanted to game, I'd recommend that you go get a crappy quad core AMD processor over the Intel dual core i3-3220

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-performance.html

If you look at the performance per dollar chart here, the Athlon II X4 640, 750K, 965, FX-4300 (all of which are quad core chips) are smoked by the I3-3220.  The Intel I3-3220 dual core 3.3ghz performs 10% faster in Skyrim than the 4GHZ quad core AMD chip.  Go figure, Intel's architecture is just that superior.

Do you know precisely which graphics card you have? Or precisely the power supply?  Specific models would be useful, regardless of gaming, just helps me see where any extra money is best spent.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: imachavel]
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I did not forget a heatsink fan, he didn't ask for one and the processor comes with one.  Obviously, the stock heatsink fan is not good for overclockers, but this rig isn't designed around overclocking and I doubt he's even going to be keeping that processor at load temps all day either, so I see no reason to get worked up over getting one.  I basically haven't witnessed anyone fuck up an intel processor in a long time :shrug:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said:
I did not forget a heatsink fan, he didn't ask for one and the processor comes with one.  Obviously, the stock heatsink fan is not good for overclockers, but this rig isn't designed around overclocking and I doubt he's even going to be keeping that processor at load temps all day either, so I see no reason to get worked up over getting one.  I basically haven't witnessed anyone fuck up an intel processor in a long time :shrug:



just out of curiosity, why would the Intel i3-3220 be a down grade if you were doing coding or video editing? I know people that have pentium 4 intel core 2 duos that run linux and do video editing and coding and they never complain.

I imagine an upgrade to a quad core would be a smart decision if you planned to be doing all that at once, and using the internet as well. It's all about how many processes are running. I wouldn't run auto cad and a few other programs with an older processor either, and the boot time with an older process will obviously be slower, but I'm still surprised at that statement about "quad core." As far as I know, the quality of the cache and speed of the processor is based on cycles and architecture of each core, how much memory can fit and how quickly it can be passed off to other sectors of hardware. Of course you mentioned this when comparing an Intel processor to an Amd quad core.

I guess this gets a bit complicated, as what you are really measuring is instructions per second, a million instructions per second by today's standards is slow, so it's hard to sit her all day measuring how this works I suppose simpler factors such as how many cores and cycles aren't as complicated as actually showing a chart like this:

UNIVAC I 0.002 MIPS at 2.25 MHz 0.0008 0.0008 1951
[2]
Intel 4004 0.092 MIPS at 740 kHz
(Not Dhrystone) 0.1 0.1 1971 [3]
IBM System/370 model 158-3 1 MIPS at 8.69 MHz 0.1 0.1 1972
Intel 8080 0.330 MIPS at 2 MHz
(Not Dhrystone) 0.165 0.165 1974
MOS Technology 6502 0.500 MIPS at 1 MHz
(Not Dhrystone) 0.5 0.5 1975
VAX-11/780 0.500 MIPS at 5 MHz
1 Dhrystone MIPS 0.2 0.2 1977
Motorola 68000 0.700 MIPS at 8 MHz
(Not Dhrystone) 0.1 0.1 1979 [4]
Intel 286 2.66 MIPS at 12.5 MHz 0.2 0.2 1982 [5]
Motorola 68020 10 MIPS at 33 MHz 0.303 0.303 1984 [6]
Intel 386DX 9.9 MIPS at 33 MHz 0.3 0.3 1985
ARM2 4 MIPS at 8 MHz 0.5 0.5 1986
Motorola 68030 18 MIPS at 50 MHz 0.36 0.36 1987 [7]
Motorola 68040 44 MIPS at 40 MHz 1.1 1.1 1990 [8]
DEC Alpha 21064 EV4 300 MIPS at 150 MHz 2.7 2.7 1992 [9]
Intel 486DX2 54 MIPS at 66 MHz 0.8 0.8 1992
Motorola 68060 110 MIPS at 75 MHz 1.33 1.33 1994
Intel Pentium 188 MIPS at 100 MHz 1.88 1.88 1994 [10]
Microchip PIC16F 5 MIPS at 20 MHz 0.25 0.25 1995 [11]
Atmel megaAVR 16 MIPS at 16 MHz 1 1 1996 [12]
ARM 7500FE 35.9 MIPS at 40 MHz 0.9 0.9 1996
Intel Pentium Pro 541 MIPS at 200 MHz 2.7 2.7 1996 [13]
PowerPC 750 525 MIPS at 233 MHz 2.3 2.3 1997
Zilog eZ80 80 MIPS at 50 MHz 1.6 1.6 1999 [14]
Intel Pentium III 2,054 MIPS at 600 MHz 3.4 3.4 1999 [10]
Freescale MPC8272 760 MIPS at 400 MHz 1.9 1.9 2000 [15] Integrated Communications Processors
AMD Athlon 3,561 MIPS at 1.2 GHz 3.0 3.0 2000
ARM11 515 MIPS at 412 MHz 1.25 1.25 2002 [16]
Silicon Recognition ZISC 78 8600 MIPS at 33 MHz 260.60 260.60 2000 [17]
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 7,527 MIPS at 1.83 GHz 4.1 4.1 2003 [10]
Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 9,726 MIPS at 3.2 GHz 3.0 3.0 2003
MIPS32 4KEc 356 MIPS at 233 MHz 1.5 1.5 2004 [18]
Microchip PIC10F 1 MIPS at 4 MHz 0.25 0.25 2004 [19][20]
ARM Cortex-M3 125 MIPS at 100 MHz 1.25 1.25 2004 [21]
Nios II 190 MIPS at 165 MHz 1.13 1.13 2004 [22]
ARM Cortex-A8 2,000 MIPS at 1.0 GHz 2.0 2.0 2005 [23]
VIA C7 1,799 MIPS at 1.3 GHz 1.4 1.4 2005 [24]
AMD Athlon FX-57 12,000 MIPS at 2.8 GHz 4.3 4.3 2005
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ X2 (Dual core) 14,564 MIPS at 2.0 GHz 7.3 3.6 2005 [25]
Tegra 3 NVIDIA (Quad core Cortex-A9) 13,800 MIPS at 1.5 GHz 9.2 2.5 2011
Xbox360 IBM "Xenon" (Triple core) 19,200 MIPS at 3.2 GHz 6.0 2.0 2005
PS3 Cell BE (PPE only) 10,240 MIPS at 3.2 GHz 3.2 3.2 2006
AMD Athlon FX-60 (Dual core) 18,938 MIPS at 2.6 GHz 7.3 3.6 2006 [25]
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (Dual core) 27,079 MIPS at 2.93 GHz 9.2 4.6 2006 [25]
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 (Quad core) 49,161 MIPS at 2.66 GHz 18.4 4.6 2006 [26]
MIPS32 24K 604 MIPS at 400 MHz 1.51 1.51 2006 [27]
ARM Cortex-R4 450 MIPS at 270 MHz 1.66 1.66 2006 [28]
MIPS64 20Kc 1,370 MIPS at 600 MHz 2.3 2.3 2007 [29]
P.A. Semi PA6T-1682M 8,800 MIPS at 1.8 GHz 4.4 4.4 2007 [30]
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 (Quad core) 59,455 MIPS at 3.2 GHz 18.6 4.6 2008 [31]
Intel Core i7 920 (Quad core) 82,300 MIPS at 2.66 (Turbo 2.93) GHz 30.9 7.7 2008 [32]
Intel Atom N270 (Single core) 3,846 MIPS at 1.6 GHz 2.4 2.4 2008 [33]
Qualcomm Scorpion (Cortex A8-like) 2,100 MIPS at 1 GHz 2.1 2.1 2008 [16]
ARM Cortex-M0 45 MIPS at 50 MHz 0.9 0.9 2009 [34]
ARM Cortex-A9 (Dual core) 7,500 MIPS at 1.5 GHz 5.0 2.5 2009 [35]
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition 42,820 MIPS at 3.0 GHz 14.3 3.5 2009 [36]
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 78,440 MIPS at 3.3 GHz 23.7 3.9 2010 [32]
Samsung Exynos 5250 (Cortex-A15-like Dual core) 14,000 MIPS at 2.0 GHz 7.0 3.5 2011 [37]
Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 980X (Hex core) 147,600 MIPS at 3.33 GHz 44.7 7.46 2010 [38]
Intel Core i7 2600K 128,300 MIPS at 3.4 GHz 37.7 9.43 2011 [39]
Intel Core i7 875K 92,100 MIPS at 2.93 GHz 31.4 7.85 2011 [40]
AMD E-350 (Dual core) 10,000 MIPS at 1.6 GHz 6.25 3.125 2011 [41]
AMD FX-8150 (Eight core) 108,890 MIPS at 3.6 GHz 30.2 3.78 2011 [42]
ARM Cortex A5 1,256 MIPS at 800 MHz 1.57 1.57 2011 [23]
ARM Cortex A7 2,850 MIPS at 1.5 GHz 1.9 1.9 2011 [16]
Qualcomm Krait (Cortex A15-like, Dual core) 9,900 MIPS at 1.5 GHz 6.6 3.3 2011 [16]
Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 3960X (Hex core) 177,730 MIPS at 3.33 GHz 53.3 8.89 2011 [43]


I myself am amazed at how small the dual core processor in my phone is and yet how fast my phone can be, although that is probably nothing in comparison to how fast my computer would be if I over clocked it from 2.8 ghz to 5.6 ghz successfully without frying anything, yet power consumption and heat measurements to me are a much better standard then how many cores in a processor. All this and I haven't even mentioned read and write speed of a drive and ram cache space but then with ddr3 and at least 4 gbs what's the point of diving into this


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:kingcrankey: I did not say to edit my signature soulidarity! Now forever I will never remember what I said about understanding the secrets of the universe by paying attention to subtleties!

:facepalm: I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: imachavel]
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I could quickly illustrate it with a handbrake transcode on a 720p 2hr xvid film to mp4 between my quad core i7-2600k, my quad core i7-3820QM macbook pro, and my dual core i5-2557M macbook air.  All three are going to get the same project done, one will do it 30 minutes, one will do it in 50 minutes, and one will do it in 2hrs & 45mins.

Care to take a guess which is which?


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I guess I am going to need to buy thermal paste and one of those stupid anti-static wrist bands.


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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Society said:
I guess I am going to need to buy thermal paste and one of those stupid anti-static wrist bands.



wrist band never a bad idea, the hsf on an intel stock cooler comes with thermal paste pre-applied though


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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also my graphics card is a GeForce 8800 GT.

Good?  Bad?


I'll probably do some gaming on my PC.  Not a ton.  Probably mostly games that came out before 2008.  But I'm not concerned with running Crysis 9 on full settings.


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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well, i had that card, came out in 2006, should play games from '08 fine, i kept it for a handful of years and then gave it to my brother who used it a few more to play WoW... So of course, it all is relative to the what you play.  You can always upgrade when you need more.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Buying all this shit today and tomorrow from Newegg.

One more question: if I want to upgrade the CPU to i5 or i7, am I just looking for sockey size LGA 1550 in terms of compatibility?

IE- are these compatible:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116502

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116782


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Re: Building a semi-new PC [Re: Society]
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Society said:
Buying all this shit today and tomorrow from Newegg.

One more question: if I want to upgrade the CPU to i5 or i7, am I just looking for sockey size LGA 1550 in terms of compatibility?

IE- are these compatible:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116502

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116782



Ok, the Ivy Bridge processors are going to be compatible with a Socket 1155 Z77, Z75, & H77 motherboards.

I'm just pointing that out because you said 1150, you need a 1155 motherboard for an ivy bridge 1155 processor.

However, 1150 isn't a bad idea if you want to go with a quad core - that's the latest chipset, brand spanking new, haswell.... Now, there are no i3 haswells out yet, so that's why i recommended you an ivy set up....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%20600436886&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA%201150 ;

Don't by an i7, get the i5-4670k....  However, for this chip you are going to need to find a 1550 motherboard in your budget (the rest of the components can stay the same).

Pair it with something like this fucker: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157370

If you go with the haswell chip, it's quite possible that the built in graphics on the processor are as fast if not faster than your 8800gt, you might be able to get rid of that fucker.  Things have came a long way with system on a chip graphics, and that's a pretty old card.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

Edited by CosmicJoke (07/04/13 11:46 AM)

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