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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: akira_akuma]
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Looks pretty neat.

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: Burke Dennings]
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it's exactly that. it's a neat film. very... dark, comical, aloof and... it's not very artsy, or anything BUT it's a work of art, definitely; plus not too well known of a movie. :thumbup: (BTW keep up the good work with the movie project, Burke.)

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Burke Dennings said:
koods said:
I think the "usual suspects" refers to the cops getting the characters they expect,



The film's title references a line from the movie 'Casablanca'.


Is there something about the line in Casablanca that fits with the storyline of the "Usual Suspects?" It's not exactly a bizarre combination of words — maybe someone thought it sounded intriguing, nothing more.

I still says that spacey creates a story using the usual suspects — people known to the cops. He may do a good job weaving all the threads together, but he's not very good making shit up out of the blue - he needs the names from cops and he embellishes with stuff  from the chalk boards, or coffee cups.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (02/17/13 11:43 PM)

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: koods]
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If you watch the film with the commentary on, Lumet says that the line was pulled from Casablanca.  I'd assume that it's used because of the same connotation.  In Casablanca, when a crime was committed, they'd "round up the usual suspects".  In the film 'The Usual Suspects', the main characters are eponymous because of the way the police brought them in for questioning on the truck hit.

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: Burke Dennings]
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leads one to wonder who is more usual of "the usual suspects"? the business man? the cripple con? the loose-cannon? the low key mechanic? Fenster? :lol:

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Burke Dennings said:
If you watch the film with the commentary on, Lumet says that the line was pulled from Casablanca.  I'd assume that it's used because of the same connotation.  In Casablanca, when a crime was committed, they'd "round up the usual suspects".  In the film 'The Usual Suspects', the main characters are eponymous because of the way the police brought them in for questioning on the truck hit.


That's what I'm saying. He doesn't even know them. We think they all know each other. But he just adds them to the story, because they have been rounded up.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: koods]
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they were all there, though. remember, you see them burnt to a crisp, lined up on the dock outside the boat, in the beginning.

they are involved, not simply added to "The lie".

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: koods]
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I responded to your post before you edited it, so my response is appropriate.

But I'll go a bit further:  you're taking a Hollywood homage too seriously.  That's all it is.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: Burke Dennings]
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There was a TV show that actually got pretty deep into the meaning of "Kaiser Soze." Was it the wire?

Now I'm thinking it may have been an episode of "this American life" or something else I listen to on NPR.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (02/18/13 12:03 AM)

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: koods]
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i think the meaning is irrelevant. in fact, i think that the very essence of making the audience focus on the "meaning" of it all, concerning Kaiser Soza, is the main distraction in watching the whole movie.

which is kinda ingenious; considering Kaiser's myth, con smarts and story telling, is the only thing that leads the audience to interpret anything other then the crime; which is kinda the point in the first place. distract from the crime, interpret the false story.

:lol:

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: akira_akuma]
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There was something about the devil making people believe he didnt exist.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: koods]
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yeah, that's what Kaiser/Verbal says. about himself... or someone.  :shiftyeyes:

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
i think the meaning is irrelevant. in fact, i think that the very essence of making the audience focus on the "meaning" of it all, concerning Kaiser Soza, is the main distraction in watching the whole movie.

which is kinda ingenious; considering Kaiser's myth, con smarts and story telling, is the only thing that leads the audience to interpret anything other then the crime; which is kinda the point in the first place. distract from the crime, interpret the false story.

:lol:


But you are right, he creates the myth of the masterful, nearly omnipotent criminal to whet the appetites of the cops, contrasts this against his apparent meekness to make himself seem incapable of being this super human. It doesn't matter at all. I guess the only question is was spacey running the operation or the "lawyer"


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: koods]
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... that... is ... (YES :hehehe: ) my point!1    :rockman:  :gay:  :thirdeyeani:  :raver:







:mafioso: yes, koods, that's the over all reason why i started this thread. you're the first one to mention it. YAY!1 :grin:

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: akira_akuma]
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Dirty tricks, throwing a curveball in the last five seconds.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
... that... is ... (YES :hehehe: ) my point!1    :rockman:  :gay:  :thirdeyeani:  :raver:


:mafioso:


You just shot gremlins all over my screen.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Dirty tricks, throwing a curveball in the last five seconds.


exactomundo.
koods said:
You just shot gremlins all over my screen.


sorry, it had to be done. where else would i have put them?  :vag:

Edited by akira_akuma (02/18/13 12:35 AM)

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Re: Usual Suspects Ending (SPOILERS: DO NOT ENTER if you haven't seen the movie) [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
koods said:
Dirty tricks, throwing a curveball in the last five seconds.


exactomundo.
koods said:
You just shot gremlins all over my screen.


sorry, it had to be done. where else would i have put them?  :vag:


A sock.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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