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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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l3estever said:
I understand what you are saying about government funding the wrong things... but taking it to the side of  "we need less government reliance to stay the way we are" isn't the right path either. 




bloated government is half of the problem with the waste. an example for the

'progressives', for every $1 that's distributed in social spending such as
welfare and food stamps the federal government spends $3 to deliver it to
those in need. that's the problem with big government so in fact we need
less government and less reliance on government

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you said that our economy is coming closer to that of Zimbabwe.  While that is a bit of extreme of an example there is nothing wrong with starting from the ground up with a new economy not based on money.  an economy based on the wealth of resources, knowledge and skill. 


while you may need my expertise in concrete construction I do not need your
knowledge of apples or your abundance of tomatoes in order for you to retain
my services because your tomatoes will rot before I can use them to acquire
any goods or services that I may need

your ideas died out 1500 years ago for a reason

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and to be promoting a "private sector" means that you are not promoting resources, knowledge and skill for all but for those that qualify for the private sector.


where do you think all these resources, skills and knowledge comes from to
start with, do you honestly think that the government provides for us? 

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we can take the analogy(and also as practical application as well) of building a bridge.  when going to repair a 100 year old bridge you can replace things one at a time, you can replace a bunch of parts at once or you can tear it down and build a new one.  we've been trying to find the right screw that fights our metaphorical bridge since the emergence of a global economy but to our avail we have not found it yet.  maybe something that holds it up temporarily but SHIT WILL CRASH
why not start from ground zero and build something with a plan, a plan to benefit all and not just the "screw companies" promoted by the "private sector"


your analogy really bows donkey balls, because as the government has deemed
it fit not just to repair the old bridge but to build a new bridge and that
new bridge goes to the middle of the ocean and stop dead, thankfully it was
only $10 billion for the small projects






http://www.7dvt.com/2012burlington-beltline-bridge-to-nowhere
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And then there’s the fourth bridge, a soaring wooden arch over the highway. Problem is, the bridge doesn’t appear to connect anything at all. WTF?

If you’ve wondered about this mysteriously useless bridge, you’re not alone — it’s vexed Burlingtonians for at least a couple of decades. A Burlington Free Press article from August 19, 1991, bore the title “No one treads on Burlington’s bridge to nowhere.” Not much has changed since then.

The bridge was constructed at a cost of $379,400 in 1984, at the same time as the northern end of Route 127 that passes under it, according to the Free Press article. Why was it built? The short answer is federal law.



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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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l3estever said:
because profit in itself is morally corrupt.  profit is when you make money... where does that money come from?  someone is losing it. investors make money in interest, by you PAYING BACK MORE THAN YOU TOOK.  if the system was fueled by ethics instead of greed every business would break close to even and there would be no need for profit. 



hahahaha.... so profit is moraly corrupt

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and I have a lot to learn?  maybe you are the one in need of finding knowledge. 
how can you say that landscaping companies aren't subject to contracts, funding and guidelines. 

WHO CUTS THE GRASS ON THE HIGHWAY MEDIAN?


in my state and most others... the state maintains a fleet of machines and either hires employees who's sole job it is to cut grass and maintain these machines at an extraordinary cost in relation to the private sector or as in the case of my state, they use prison labor to operate and maintain the machines... we call them The Department of Transportation...

so what exactly was it you were saying?



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do we wait for it to cut itself so the government don't have to have weekly maintenance contracts with landscapers?


what contracts?

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WHO MAINTAINS THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN?


well it isnt Joe's Landscaping Service because Joe doesnt have any government
contracts, he works specifically at private homes and private businesses



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and here is a link to some god damn LAWS ON LANDSCAPING... no guidelines?  where did you come up with that nonsense
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0373/Sections/0373.185.html



oh, so what you're trying to show us is where big government is trying to
restrict the ability of the private sector to do work and earn money without
any of the benefits of free government money?

maybe you should tell us what that law says


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Prisoner#1]
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building over is never the easy way out but sometimes it needs to happen. 

"that idea died out 1500 years ago"?  not really buddy its still in full effect in some parts of the world, and i can guarantee that these people are more emotionally and spiritually stable than most of the people living in the western world. 

if the tomatoes rot before they get to you then don't trade your precious apples for tomatoes.  i believe in order for the resource based economy to work all food has to be produced locally.  what kind of dumb fuck would order 1000 tomatoes to travel across the country when they could have just grown them in their own backyard. 

once you see knowledge as a real resource and money as a human construction with no real application, why would you want to stay with a money based economy?

YES I DO BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP PROVIDE FOR US AS MUCH AS OUR FAMILY SHOULD.  When you consider that government, in theory, is supposed to be the "extended family" for those that don't have any it doesn't become to want a powerful government, because it should make every decision with best interest to the whole in mind.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever] * 1
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Money is bullshit. The survivors of our broke-ass society will take note of where we went wrong.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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you just said that your state owns a fleet of machines and hires workers who's sole job is to cut the grass and then you ask me "what contracts?"  hmmm... maybe the contracts they have to buy the fleet machines and the working contracts of said full time landscapers

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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and just because something doesn't have a direct effect doesn't mean it isn't a big indirect effect.  everywhere Joe goes he is using government funded roads, government subsidized gas and if Joe isn't able to get that contract cutting the white house grass then Jack will use his government contract money to undercut Joe and higher his workers for a better wage. 

competition creates struggle.  cooperation creates harmony

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
What Im saying about the buses is that a private company somewhere has to build them. These buses need maintenance and they need to be replaced frequently, thus keeping the private company building them profitable.



I see, so the government contracts with a private company to build the
buses for a municipal transit line as opposed to spending billions for
manufacturing facilities and tooling that will sit idle for a years at
a time. in other words the government responded to the desires of the
people for a cheap means of transportation in large urban areas but
failed to respond in other areas since those municipalities tend to have
their own maintenance facilities


bus lines are typically started and maintained by a special local option
sales tax that the people vote for, it's not something that the government
just shat out as an alleged benefit to the people from the kindness of the
government's heart

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The interestate highways are a must, trains and planes alone couldn't take it all. Also, think about it, the interstate highways feeds the oil company billions after billions of dollars, they make automotive companies live, which in term makes every suppliers of car pieces live as well.



if the automotive companies were thriving because of the interstate highways
then why did they need a bailout 4 years ago and why are they filing
bankruptcy now... seems your information is a little out of touch with reality



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Railroads are there to carry cargo. There are buslines, and cars and airplanes to carry people around. Taking the train is a slow alternative (unless its like these japanese highspeed trains). Speaking of highspeed trains, I don't understand why there is one connecting Quebec City to vancouver to LA to Dalla to Miami conencting everything in between.



but the US isnt allowed to have high speed trains even though we have 3500
miles between the two coasts, even the railroads have speed limits, 59mph
for passenger trains, 49mph for freight trains and a maximum speed of 79mph
for trains without an  automatic train control system, even though no train
is allowed to travel that fast regardless since they either carry cargo or
passengers... seems kinda silly doesnt it

of course Obama said in his 2008 campaign that he'd change that

but then we can see it's another 'Obama' kind of promise


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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l3estever said:
building over is never the easy way out but sometimes it needs to happen. 

"that idea died out 1500 years ago"?  not really buddy its still in full effect in some parts of the world, and i can guarantee that these people are more emotionally and spiritually stable than most of the people living in the western world. 


so the progressive idea of progress is to step back 1500 years?

of course barter works well in remote areas in 3rd world countries, or maybe
you can show us an industrialized nation with a barter economy that's thriving


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if the tomatoes rot before they get to you then don't trade your precious apples for tomatoes.  i believe in order for the resource based economy to work all food has to be produced locally.  what kind of dumb fuck would order 1000 tomatoes to travel across the country when they could have just grown them in their own backyard.


did you fail to read the part about not wanting to trade my  expertise in
concrete construction for you apple knowledge or your tomatoes?

reading comprehension is fundamental

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once you see knowledge as a real resource and money as a human construction with no real application, why would you want to stay with a money based economy?


because as I stated in obviously less than clear terms, you dont have shit
that I want to trade my knowledge or skills for, nothing that I can deem as
an equal worth or that I can use for barter elsewhere

sorry sparky, I already have too many chickens

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YES I DO BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP PROVIDE FOR US AS MUCH AS OUR FAMILY SHOULD.  When you consider that government, in theory, is supposed to be the "extended family" for those that don't have any it doesn't become to want a powerful government, because it should make every decision with best interest to the whole in mind.



you clearly have no understanding of what government is supposed to provide
for the people, you have some hippietopia idealism that government is
supposed to take care of us and if that were the case, where's the incentive
for anyone to do and provide the funds for government to provide for us.

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-purpose-us-government-per-constitution-283413.html


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Money is bullshit.


Those of us with the ability to make money disagree.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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l3estever said:
competition creates struggle.  cooperation creates harmony


Competition creates innovation and efficiency.

Co-operation creates resentfulness and anger when the slacker next to you gets paid the same amount for less work.

Until humans are born equal in strength, wisdom, drive and desire... the slackers will always be slackers.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
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luvdemshrooms said:
BlindSophist said:
Money is bullshit.


Those of us with the ability to make money disagree.


No, not all. Even people with money have differing opinions on it's value and place in society, big shocker there.  :rolleyes:


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"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: JoieDeVivre] * 2
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JoieDeVivre said:
No, not all. Even people with money have differing opinions on it's value and place in society, big shocker there.  :rolleyes:


Not at all? Yet you go on to say there are differing opinions?

You should roll your eyes at yourself for that one.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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l3estever said:
because profit in itself is morally corrupt.  profit is when you make money... where does that money come from?  someone is losing it. investors make money in interest, by you PAYING BACK MORE THAN YOU TOOK.  if the system was fueled by ethics instead of greed every business would break close to even and there would be no need for profit. 

and I have a lot to learn?  maybe you are the one in need of finding knowledge. 
how can you say that landscaping companies aren't subject to contracts, funding and guidelines. 

WHO CUTS THE GRASS ON THE HIGHWAY MEDIAN?
do we wait for it to cut itself so the government don't have to have weekly maintenance contracts with landscapers?  or is it a government contract
WHO MAINTAINS THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN?
does Barrack pay out of his own pocket for that? or is it government funded

and here is a link to some god damn LAWS ON LANDSCAPING... no guidelines?  where did you come up with that nonsense
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0373/Sections/0373.185.html


Investors make or lose money by investing into capital, which includes equipment, but more importantly humans with innovative ideas.

Making a profit is essential for a business to continue to exist, there is nothing immoral about it, how do you suggest to continue to run?

I highly suggest studying economic theory, if you are a communist then fine, at least admit it.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Money is bullshit. The survivors of our broke-ass society will take note of where we went wrong.


Our monetary system is bullshit, money or wealth is not. Accumulating wealth through hard work and responsible living is the key to a successful culture, relying on someone else for my future well being is bullshit.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
l3estever said:
competition creates struggle.  cooperation creates harmony


Competition creates innovation and efficiency.

Co-operation creates resentfulness and anger when the slacker next to you gets paid the same amount for less work.

Until humans are born equal in strength, wisdom, drive and desire... the slackers will always be slackers.


i think that you are thinking of co-operation in a competitive society... in a completely cooperative society people feel good for making a contribution.  and don't get jealous that the person next to you did more... because NOBODY IS BEING PAID AT ALL.  you both just get to live another day.  did you know you can feel successful and happy at work without getting paid? most people don't

lets take an example of finding a cure to an illness... in a cooperative society the scientific community would all come together and share research.  in a competitive society they keep all their findings secret until they can patent their discovery and make the money for themselves and their own company.
why do you believe that a "think-tank" or "group-think" is inefficient and unproductive in nature? 

the reason that most people starve on this planet is not a lack of food.  it is a lack of cooperation by the people who have the food to sell it.  because guess what... if you can't afford it you starve and die.  why do people continue to think this is right?  a starving child shouldn't die hungry on a street because WE WANTED THE MONEY FOR THE FOOD AND THEY DIDN'T PAY UP. 
children are starving to death because of our monetary based economy.  would you be willing to give up all your money and materials if you were promised that no more children died because of a lack of funds?

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: l3estever]
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l3estever said:
you just said that your state owns a fleet of machines and hires workers who's sole job is to cut the grass and then you ask me "what contracts?"  hmmm... maybe the contracts they have to buy the fleet machines and the working contracts of said full time landscapers



what contracts? what's this got to do with Joe's Landscaping Service, they

still dont have a contract and the State of Stupor buying mowers from Johns
Mower Sales doesnt express any contracts just as state employees and state
prisoners arent contract labor


do you think flip flopping around like a flippity floppity flounder makes your
so very wrong  statements any more right?


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
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Why do you concentrate solely on destroying other people's idea instead of building on them... Sure, the ideas might no be 100% perfect, but that's the point of building on them. You could cooperate instead of trashing everybody's ideas...


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: qman]
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qman said:
l3estever said:
because profit in itself is morally corrupt.  profit is when you make money... where does that money come from?  someone is losing it. investors make money in interest, by you PAYING BACK MORE THAN YOU TOOK.  if the system was fueled by ethics instead of greed every business would break close to even and there would be no need for profit. 

and I have a lot to learn?  maybe you are the one in need of finding knowledge. 
how can you say that landscaping companies aren't subject to contracts, funding and guidelines. 

WHO CUTS THE GRASS ON THE HIGHWAY MEDIAN?
do we wait for it to cut itself so the government don't have to have weekly maintenance contracts with landscapers?  or is it a government contract
WHO MAINTAINS THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN?
does Barrack pay out of his own pocket for that? or is it government funded

and here is a link to some god damn LAWS ON LANDSCAPING... no guidelines?  where did you come up with that nonsense
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0373/Sections/0373.185.html


Investors make or lose money by investing into capital, which includes equipment, but more importantly humans with innovative ideas.

Making a profit is essential for a business to continue to exist, there is nothing immoral about it, how do you suggest to continue to run?

I highly suggest studying economic theory, if you are a communist then fine, at least admit it.


lol at least you are not as rude to me as prisoner... why is it so hard to imagine a world in which we don't make any money and everybody breaks even.  what i'm saying might have roots in communism but i think to label myself as such dismisses the validity of anything i say from 99% of americans.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Patlal] * 3
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Patlal said:
Why do you concentrate solely on destroying other people's idea instead of building on them... Sure, the ideas might no be 100% perfect, but that's the point of building on them. You could cooperate instead of trashing everybody's ideas...


Pris, while not a bad guy overall IMO, is guilty of a lot of destructive group behaviors. :thumbdown:


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"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
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luvdemshrooms said:
JoieDeVivre said:
No, not all. Even people with money have differing opinions on it's value and place in society, big shocker there.  :rolleyes:


Not at all? Yet you go on to say there are differing opinions?

You should roll your eyes at yourself for that one.


Just thought I'd hold this winner up for everyone to see in case he edits it. :awesomenod:


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