Prisoner#1 said:

JoieDeVivre said:

Want to know my solution?  I'm sure no one does because I'm a bleeding heart liberal but I'll share anyways: slash work time in half. This will ensure everyone is employed and will prepare our economy for the exponentially increasing amount of automation we're already seeing that eliminates some of the need for a labor force. In their new found free time, Americans can focus more on scientific, academic and creative pursuits thus bettering our populous overall, and hopefully generating some more critical thinkers, rather than having everyone constantly slaving away most days of the year at poorly paying jobs that don't contribute anything very meaningful and most people hate anyway.

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hahahahaa... I hope that was supposed to be funny and not taken seriously

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So why not impress us with something of substance instead of just saying "hahaha I hope that wasn't supposed to be take seriously" or is that all a Pris education can afford us? 

luvdemshrooms said:

And you solution to peoples bills? Grocery expenses?

Or should we all half starve?

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Raise wages, lower prices? Nothing actually costs as much as we pay for it. We decide the value of an item, the value of labor, we construct our own economy.

Patlal said:

COmpanies have been slashing work times in half. The result was an increase of part time jobs with no benefits. Only the corporation benefited from this. Which means, the people rich enough to be shareholders.

Too bad for the poor people, yet again

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It's going to keep happening with the exponential automation of labor, so we're going to need to figure out a way to make it so everyone can still contribute. I say we slash work time for all people, including company owners and the rich men who run everything.

JoieDeVivre said:

luvdemshrooms said:

And you solution to peoples bills? Grocery expenses?

Or should we all half starve?

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Raise wages, lower prices? Nothing actually costs as much as we pay for it. We decide the value of an item, the value of labor, we construct our own economy.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Patlal said:

Seriously man. Tell me your plan to fix the US economy. I'd love to know what policies you would change, what cuts you would do, what revenues you would raise, etc.

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I'd love to see heavy cuts to nonessential services like federal pensions,
endowments and grants for so many corporations under the guise of arts or
science or what ever silly excuse they use to piss away federal funds. to
raise taxes when the the rest of the nation is having to live on a tighter
budget is certainly not going to fix things, cuts to the budget need to be
made, very serious and deep cuts and they should start with everything that
requires 3x as much money to operate as it pays out each year

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JoieDeVivre said:

Prisoner#1 said:

JoieDeVivre said:

Want to know my solution?  I'm sure no one does because I'm a bleeding heart liberal but I'll share anyways: slash work time in half. This will ensure everyone is employed and will prepare our economy for the exponentially increasing amount of automation we're already seeing that eliminates some of the need for a labor force. In their new found free time, Americans can focus more on scientific, academic and creative pursuits thus bettering our populous overall, and hopefully generating some more critical thinkers, rather than having everyone constantly slaving away most days of the year at poorly paying jobs that don't contribute anything very meaningful and most people hate anyway.

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hahahahaa... I hope that was supposed to be funny and not taken seriously

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So why not impress us with something of substance instead of just saying "hahaha I hope that wasn't supposed to be take seriously" or is that all a Pris education can afford us? 

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Patlal said:

Are federal employees in the US paid more than private sector employee and do they do half the work of a private sector employee and take 3 25 minute breaks a day will full benefits and stuff? Cause thats Canada. We've been trying for decades to fuck em up and bring them back to reality but their unions are too strong.

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qman said:

If the government would stop guaranteeing the loans, the credit would be less available, and the colleges would stop hiking tuition every year.

The colleges know that regardless of what the charge, the student can get the credit, that is the root of the problem.

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JoieDeVivre said:

Want to know my solution?  I'm sure no one does because I'm a bleeding heart liberal but I'll share anyways: slash work time in half. This will ensure everyone is employed and will prepare our economy for the exponentially increasing amount of automation we're already seeing that eliminates some of the need for a labor force. In their new found free time, Americans can focus more on scientific, academic and creative pursuits thus bettering our populous overall, and hopefully generating some more critical thinkers, rather than having everyone constantly slaving away most days of the year at poorly paying jobs that don't contribute anything very meaningful and most people hate anyway.

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Patlal said:

COmpanies have been slashing work times in half. The result was an increase of part time jobs with no benefits. Only the corporation benefited from this. Which means, the people rich enough to be shareholders.

Too bad for the poor people, yet again

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luvdemshrooms said:

Patlal said:

Are federal employees in the US paid more than private sector employee and do they do half the work of a private sector employee and take 3 25 minute breaks a day will full benefits and stuff? Cause thats Canada. We've been trying for decades to fuck em up and bring them back to reality but their unions are too strong.

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You just described both federal and state workers.

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luvdemshrooms said:

Thanks. My eyes were dry and the tears of laughter lubricated them.

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What an intelligent discussion we are having here. I know you get off on this condescending attitude towards anyone that disagrees with you but don't you get tired of posting sarcastic remarks you personally find witty and trying to insult people rather than having an actual discussion?

Gilgamesh18 said:

People one hundred years ago were afraid of automation and now there are jobs and industries that did not exist one hundred years ago. I have faith that similar trends will continue on into the future.

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I agree with you but I still think there's going to be a huge deficit in the available jobs as we add more and more automation that may not be filled with the pace of new fields, jobs and industries.

Patlal said:

Company owners will keep working as much as they want, they own the place, they do what they want. Automation is still years away. We still need workers. Plus automation will require maintenance and human supervision.

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JoieDeVivre said:

luvdemshrooms said:

Thanks. My eyes were dry and the tears of laughter lubricated them.

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What an intelligent discussion we are having here. I know you get off on this condescending attitude towards anyone that disagrees with you but don't you get tired of posting sarcastic remarks you personally find witty and trying to insult people rather than having an actual discussion?

Gilgamesh18 said:

People one hundred years ago were afraid of automation and now there are jobs and industries that did not exist one hundred years ago. I have faith that similar trends will continue on into the future.

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I agree with you but I still think there's going to be a huge deficit in the available jobs as we add more and more automation that may not be filled with the pace of new fields, jobs and industries.

Patlal said:

Company owners will keep working as much as they want, they own the place, they do what they want. Automation is still years away. We still need workers. Plus automation will require maintenance and human supervision.

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I'm talking about a cultural shift towards working less overall for all people, including company owners. Automation is here right now in many industries and it's a large reason we're seeing so much unemployment. Automation today is much more advanced than years ago and people are needed less and less for labor jobs that can be automated. Automation requires little maintenance and human supervision compared to the amount of people it puts out of a job. (I think it's a good thing that automation puts people out of the job because it allows for a future where people don't have to bust their asses just to make chump change and ideally, in my mind, a future where a person's life is not controlled entirely by the profession they are required to work just to scrape by.)

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JoieDeVivre said:

Patlal said:

Company owners will keep working as much as they want, they own the place, they do what they want. Automation is still years away. We still need workers. Plus automation will require maintenance and human supervision.

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I'm talking about a cultural shift towards working less overall for all people, including company owners. Automation is here right now in many industries and it's a large reason we're seeing so much unemployment. Automation today is much more advanced than years ago and people are needed less and less for labor jobs that can be automated. Automation requires little maintenance and human supervision compared to the amount of people it puts out of a job. (I think it's a good thing that automation puts people out of the job because it allows for a future where people don't have to bust their asses just to make chump change and ideally, in my mind, a future where a person's life is not controlled entirely by the profession they are required to work just to scrape by.)

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Patlal said:

As for the federal grants, I know a few people that wouldn't have what they have if they didn't receive a grant to start them up. its true that some people waste it, but in the end grants are venture capitalism investments. You take 1 million, split it up in 10, you give them away knowing that 9 of them will fail and hope that 1 of them will bring back 1.1 million or more. That's how most capitalist countries have been built. Banks don't loan out money anymore cause they're scared. If the government stops doing it too, then how will small people receive big loans?

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As for the rest of the cuts, I'm not too informed of all the government projects, but where would you find them. I would assume that congress combed through them all by now... "assume".

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JoieDeVivre said:

luvdemshrooms said:

Thanks. My eyes were dry and the tears of laughter lubricated them.

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What an intelligent discussion we are having here. I know you get off on this condescending attitude towards anyone that disagrees with you but don't you get tired of posting sarcastic remarks you personally find witty and trying to insult people rather than having an actual discussion?

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Gilgamesh18 said:

It will be painful in the transition stages but in the end I think more jobs than ever will be avalible. In 1900 like 90 percent of the workforce was in agriculture now its two percent were did the jobs go they went into the new industries and fields that developed due to technological change. I think trying to limit technological advancement for fear of all the jobs vanishing is foolish we are not amish after all.

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Patlal said:

I understand what you mean, but lets take Europe, all the countries where work hours were low are now on the verge on declaring bankruptcy.

Automation is great, but we need to find a way to employ people. If automation takes over quickly, only engineer and high tech people will have jobs in this country.

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That's why I think we should raise wages and cut working times in half, that way automation taking over isn't a problem. Our economy is still based on capitalism, the employment of the laborer and the idea that everyone should be working all the time to "earn their keep" however with increasing automation we're going to see a problem with these ideas and I think this is a large reason we're all having economic problems right now. Our systems are based on a time where technologies that are within our reach now could never have been considered. I think perhaps it's time we stop relying on age-old tradition and work towards something more modern.

badchad said:

Federal grants are an example of an expenditure that may not have an immediate benefit (e.g. scientific research).  However, it can produce benefits later on, often for the private sector.  Educational grants can be viewed similarly.  If you cut education spending, you may save money, but a country consisting of an uneducated workforce may not be beneficial in the long run.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Patlal said:

Oh mighty Pris. When will this financial crisis ever end 

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it will end as soon as people in the US realize that liberals/progressives are
worthless and doing nothing but dragging the nation under with bad policy,
especially shit economic policy and decide to exterminate all of them and
canada too, because canada has oil

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