zappaisgod said:

Requirements for a laborer job on a framing carpentry crew in NY State

Work outdoors in weather ranging from 20^o to 95^o sometimes with rain and/or snow
Routinely lift objects weighing up to 100lbs sometimes from the ground and sometimes carry them up ladders
Use sharp tools
Use sharp electric tools
Use sharp gasoline powered tools
Bend over
Get yelled at

And fucking show up on time.

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koraks said:

zappaisgod said:

Lots of times.

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There you go.

Like I said before: I don't have a problem with hard work. I even accept that some lines of work involve certain risks. I do have a problem with employers who drive their employees to the point of exhaustion and bodily harm while never acknowledging the fact that they are human beings.

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zappaisgod said:

Requirements for a laborer job on a framing carpentry crew in NY State

Work outdoors in weather ranging from 20^o to 95^o sometimes with rain and/or snow
Routinely lift objects weighing up to 100lbs sometimes from the ground and sometimes carry them up ladders
Use sharp tools
Use sharp electric tools
Use sharp gasoline powered tools
Bend over
Get yelled at

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

People in Europe do work, and quite hard in fact. We are however more susceptible to the perceived importance of humane conditions, both at work and in society at large.

There are cultural differences in the care for others between Americans and Europeans that are quite mindblowing to Europeans, and probably pretty puzzling to Americans.

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Prisoner#1 said:

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fapjack said:

zappaisgod said:

Requirements for a laborer job on a framing carpentry crew in NY State

Work outdoors in weather ranging from 20^o to 95^o sometimes with rain and/or snow
Routinely lift objects weighing up to 100lbs sometimes from the ground and sometimes carry them up ladders
Use sharp tools
Use sharp electric tools
Use sharp gasoline powered tools
Bend over
Get yelled at

And fucking show up on time.

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You have to do most of that shit working in a warehouse as well depending on what you do/where you work.  It gets really cold as many warehouses aren't heated, you lift a lot of heavy shit, you work with box cutters, you work with fork lifts, you get yelled out, you lift heavy boxes, and its a high stress environment.  Laborers also make more money than warehouse workers.  I sure as fuck wouldn't do either job for minimum wage though.  I'd say laborer is probably a bit more work, but they are certainly comparable.

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zappaisgod said:

When I would have to cut a whole bunch of rafters I always wedged the guard back.  I also never set the fucking thing down hot because I knew the guard was wedged back.  I did not let my employees do this even though they were covered by comp and I was not.

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

People in Europe do work, and quite hard in fact. We are however more susceptible to the perceived importance of humane conditions, both at work and in society at large.

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They work hard?  Mandatory paid vacation and a 35 hr work week is hard?  You made me pee.

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There are cultural differences in the care for others between Americans and Europeans that are quite mindblowing to Europeans, and probably pretty puzzling to Americans.

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trippinballs420 said:

im gonna play devils advocate here...

why is this a problem if they are getting paid at least minimum wage?

shouldnt everyone who is late to work once too often get fired? 65 to 95degF isnt that ridiculous, i used to work at a cub scout summer camp and we'd be doing physical labor from 7am to 10pm in heat up to like 110degF so i dont think its that bad.

the fact that they havent outsourced it to a different country is pretty incredible alone is it not? at least they arent laying everyone off and heading south of the border

i bet if you ask most of the people who work there they will say "this place sucks to work at but i sure am glad i have a paying job that is legal and above the table"

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Bodhi of Ankou said:

trippinballs420 said:

im gonna play devils advocate here...

why is this a problem if they are getting paid at least minimum wage?

shouldnt everyone who is late to work once too often get fired? 65 to 95degF isnt that ridiculous, i used to work at a cub scout summer camp and we'd be doing physical labor from 7am to 10pm in heat up to like 110degF so i dont think its that bad.

the fact that they havent outsourced it to a different country is pretty incredible alone is it not? at least they arent laying everyone off and heading south of the border

i bet if you ask most of the people who work there they will say "this place sucks to work at but i sure am glad i have a paying job that is legal and above the table"

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Think about walmart for their average permanent or semi permanent worker with a family of four the barely pay enough to get past the poverty threshhold, iv they boosted wages by a couple bucks they would lift 700,000 people above the poverty line and expand the spending power of that many consumers and thus add that much more to the economy to stimulate growth because workers are consumers hence economic growth, at an overall cut into profits of wal-mart of only 1 percent. Simple mathematics that most people fail to take into consideration, would provide huge benefits for the whole of society.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/21/study-higher-retail-wages-would-lift-americans-out-of-poverty-boost-economy/

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Bodhi of Ankou said:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/21/study-higher-retail-wages-would-lift-americans-out-of-poverty-boost-economy/

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Prisoner#1 said:

koraks said:

OK, so nobody actually takes the time to read the article.

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I did read the article, 4 pages of it and it was whining bullshit

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Bodhi of Ankou said:

trippinballs420 said:

im gonna play devils advocate here...

why is this a problem if they are getting paid at least minimum wage?

shouldnt everyone who is late to work once too often get fired? 65 to 95degF isnt that ridiculous, i used to work at a cub scout summer camp and we'd be doing physical labor from 7am to 10pm in heat up to like 110degF so i dont think its that bad.

the fact that they havent outsourced it to a different country is pretty incredible alone is it not? at least they arent laying everyone off and heading south of the border

i bet if you ask most of the people who work there they will say "this place sucks to work at but i sure am glad i have a paying job that is legal and above the table"

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Think about walmart for their average permanent or semi permanent worker with a family of four the barely pay enough to get past the poverty threshhold, iv they boosted wages by a couple bucks they would lift 700,000 people above the poverty line and expand the spending power of that many consumers and thus add that much more to the economy to stimulate growth because workers are consumers hence economic growth, at an overall cut into profits of wal-mart of only 1 percent. Simple mathematics that most people fail to take into consideration, would provide huge benefits for the whole of society.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/21/study-higher-retail-wages-would-lift-americans-out-of-poverty-boost-economy/

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Bodhi of Ankou said:

Nope, it comes out of wal-marts insane profit margins. Comrade.

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