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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Why do people look for new chemical elements?
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Like they spend a decade and invest millions of dollars just so they can get indirect data of the existence of some atom with say 113 protons that exists for less than a billionth of the the second.

Isn't it useless? Whats the point?


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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: mellowparty]
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Most things humans do are useless and pointless.  Look at how much is spent on sports.  Not playing sports, just watching others play.

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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Most things humans do are useless and pointless.  Look at how much is spent on sports.  Not playing sports, just watching others play.


I have never understood sports or people's fascination with watching others play.


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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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Some people don't understand scientist's obsession with prodding and learning about nature.

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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Most things humans do are useless and pointless.  Look at how much is spent on sports.  Not playing sports, just watching others play.


Now don't get me wrong pube, I'm not saying this is stupid in any way (even if it actually is). I just can't figure out who and why they pay them to do it. I thought you have to present some convincing arguments to get funding. Such that your research would have some beneficial impact on society. So whats the deal with new elements.

Plus with sports you get to make money from all the mindless zombies who drink their beer and eat their fucking corndogs while watching a bunch of lobotomized monkeys run after a ball.


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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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I can enjoy playing a sport, but don't care much to watch. Sometimes some crazy shit does happen though. Once after a batter hit the ball it nailed a bird. What are the odds?

As for new elements, I assume because just like watching sport, sometimes crazy shit can happen. If the right crazy shit happens, it could mean mucho dinero. Also, it is just interesting to learn new things, regardless of how 'pointless' it may be in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: trampis]
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I wish I had been there to witness it.



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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: mellowparty]
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mellowparty said:
DieCommie said:
Most things humans do are useless and pointless.  Look at how much is spent on sports.  Not playing sports, just watching others play.


Now don't get me wrong pube, I'm not saying this is stupid in any way (even if it actually is). I just can't figure out who and why they pay them to do it. I thought you have to present some convincing arguments to get funding. Such that your research would have some beneficial impact on society. So whats the deal with new elements.



No.  If you are doing engineering or applied science research then you need to put some proposed 'purpose' for your research in your grant proposal.  If you are doing pure science then your grant proposal is about the strides you hope to make in pure science.  Its already taken for granted that pure science is worth pursuing and no practical application is needed to get grant money.

"Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it. "

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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: mellowparty]
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Chemists have been working within the same mechanistic framework for nearly 100 years. Let them have their fun.

P.S. I hear there's an island out there...


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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: DieCommie]
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I guess that makes sense.


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Re: Why do people look for new chemical elements? [Re: mellowparty]
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mellowparty said:
I thought you have to present some convincing arguments to get funding. Such that your research would have some beneficial impact on society. So whats the deal with new elements.


You do, and the rationale is often reiterated in the intro of manuscripts reporting findings.

This is the "spin", and it's vital to survival in academia.  If you can't spin your proposal (even if its a good one), you fail, regardless of how good the idea is.

I could easily imagine proposing that the discovery of new elements provides vital information on how they were formed.  This is applicable to manufacturing newer chemicals, and the more efficient synthesis of existing ones.


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