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 Gumby
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 Panaeolus and Amanita PICS 
#1690723 - 07/06/03 05:18 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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We've been getting a TON of rain here in georgia recently so that means a TON of mushrooms as well. Here's some pics.
Panaeolus subbalteatus:
Here's the Amanita. I think it's Amanita cothurnata. It's cap was yellow/brown in the center fading to white. It didn't really bruise at all. The stem did have some reddish brown spots on it. The only thing that throws me is that it didn't have any kind of volva or basal bulb. I even dug into the ground around it when it was picked and didn't see one. It was growing near lots of different kinds of trees.
Any ideas?
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 ToxicMan
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: Gumby]
#1691108 - 07/06/03 08:04 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice specimens and excellent photos.
According to Tulloss, the correct name for Amanita cothurnata is Amanita multisquamosa (= Amanita pantherina var multisquamosa).
His description of the species indicates that it normally has a distinct basal bulb on the stem and usually has a collar of volval material at the top of the bulb. But the overall resemblance is pretty good.
Another possibility is Amanita russuloides (often misidentified as Amanita gemmata).
Yet another possibility is Amanita crenulata.
With a microscope it might be possible to narrow it down better, but this might also be one of that huge group of unnamed Amanitas that Tulloss is working on now. Apparently there are a pile of brown or tan capped Amanitas that look somewhat like that.
I hope some of these guys publish their monographs in the reasonable future. Otherwise, there sure are a lot of mushrooms that we can't do much better than say "it looks a lot like ...".
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: Gumby]
#1691201 - 07/06/03 08:37 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice looking subbs gumby and excellent photos. were the subbs found in rotting grass....it looks like rotting grass anyway.
with the rain and the humidity, i'm also starting to see more mushrooms popping up....if this keeps up they will be exploding from the ground!
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: subterranean]
#1691347 - 07/06/03 09:35 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice Pn. subbs! Has this rain not been insane! I mean it keeps on coming, and its in the forecast yet again all this week. I do not understand why there aren't more weilii fruiting, it really doesn't add up. When they do finally come up they are going to explode! The mycelium networks out there must be super thriving and taking over lawns at this point. Its going to be an interesting fall. I know the cubes must be boomin right now, if only I could find a field close by. I spent 8 hours this weekend in search of a good field and came up with nadda.
Nice pics gumby!
LK,
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Gumby
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: subterranean]
#1691521 - 07/06/03 10:26 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep, they were growing from a grass compost pile. I thought the patch was dead but it must have been just dehydrated because it's been producing a shitload of mushrooms recently.
LK- I've noticed the same thing about the weiliis... not much happening. Haven't seen many P. velutina since about mid June either. Tis weird.
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: ToxicMan]
#1692583 - 07/07/03 08:58 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: ]
#1692715 - 07/07/03 10:21 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I based that statement on the comments at the bottom of this page, which are based on a personal communication the page author had with Rod Tulloss.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: ToxicMan]
#1695996 - 07/08/03 09:34 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: Gumby]
#1699187 - 07/09/03 09:38 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Excellent pictures Gumby, dude. 
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: Effed]
#1699509 - 07/09/03 12:09 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice subbs, what's up with the rusty color all over the gills and stems though? Might just be your local variety. It's been raining the past several days here (not continuously) so i'm sure there'll be a nice bloom of subbs around here.
That Amanita is proof that we need more specific taxonomical systems.
Speaking of which, how do they come up with these names in latin, anyway?
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ToxicMan
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: Vortex]
#1699652 - 07/09/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Speaking of which, how do they come up with these names in latin, anyway?
If you discover a new species and publish it, you get to make up a name for it. In most books the author will also list the person who made that publication.
For Amanita cothurnata, it's George F Atkinson (1854-1918), who was at Cornell University.
For Amanita multisquamosa, it's Charles Horton Peck (1833-1917), who was Botanist at New York Museum in Albany.
For Amanita pantherina var multisquamosa it's David T Jenkins (b. 1947), the person who wrote the only flora for the genus Amanita for North America (1986).
If it turns out that your new species isn't really new (somebody else beat you to that one), then your name gets reduced to being a synonym. Since Peck published a description first of the mushroom species being talked about here, his name gets priority.
The confusion arises because the criteria used to decide if a mushroom is a new species or not has changed over time. Also, some of the early mycologists didn't follow the current practice of making a type collection. Some of the earliest mycologists only made paintings of the species they were naming (that was the practice then), so there are now problems deciding (in some cases) just exactly what mushroom they were describing.
An excellent example of this is Amanita verna. It is described as an all white Amanita which doesn't stain yellow with KOH. Unfortunately, all the specimens recently collected in a study stain. There is a suspicion that the original specimen of the species was actually a pale variety of Amanita phalloides. Since there isn't an actual specimen of the species anywhere, we may never know if a rare mushroom was described or if it was a pale variety of an already known species.
The molecular biologists are promising to resolve all this, and we shall see. After all, their definition of a species is only the latest in a long list. I'm not going to say that nobody will come up with a "better" idea in the future and everything will have to be reorganised yet again.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: ToxicMan]
#1701051 - 07/09/03 10:06 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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yum yum dim sum
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Snobrdr311
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: em_bre_O]
#1701108 - 07/09/03 10:21 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice pictures, cheers to you my friend.
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DannyKindbuds
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: Snobrdr311]
#4377505 - 07/06/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya nice pics, I've been out lately also, found a bunch of cubes in south GA, twiggs county to be exact... but then went to jail for em.
now that I'm out though I've recently found many of a multisquamosa here in Buford, i have too say though... from my experience that amanita you found isn't a multi.
but you know better than I, so i could be wrong.
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DannyKindbuds
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Or did you rip the bulb off, if so then never mind my lack of belief in your amanita identification.
the base just didn't look right, and the stalk looked semi-thin
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danny this post is over 2 years old, please check the date the thread was created before posting in a thread again.
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Title explains it all. alcohol is bad for you.
You went to jail for posessing cubes?
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Gumby
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: CptnGarden]
#4378159 - 07/06/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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ShroomieOfDoomie has the hang of things.
I know reading old posts is fun, but please don't respond to threads that are <4 months old.
I'mma lock this. Old, dead thread.
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Gumby
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Re: Panaeolus and Amanita PICS [Re: Gumby]
#4378162 - 07/06/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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 This thread has been closed.
Reason:
Old thread, let it rest in peace.
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