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Has the Big Bang theory been disproved?

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4/26/2012
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Ok, I'm just going to come right out and say it, I don't believe in the Big Bang theory. I don't believe (which I know isn't a scientific "term") because I believe in creation. I did not believe in the theory before this class, even though I didn't really understand anything about it. After reading about the Big Bang, I still don't believe it.

With that being said, after reading the text about the Big Bang theory I thought it would be a good idea to try to understand why it doesn't make sense, instead of just saying I refuse to believe that.

There is actually a wealth of information that disproves the theory, from elderly galaxies being discovered, to the first and second laws of thermodynamics. The first law states that matter cannot be created or destroyed, where did the original matter come from? The second law states that everything moves towards disorder, not that out of disorder(Big Bang or "Big Stretch") comes order (our universe). This law proves true as we see our planet wearing down and becoming more disordered.

What I was most intrigued by was this 12 year old child genius, Jacob Barnett. He apparently has an IQ that could be higher than Einsteins. He has come up with a hypothesis, through mathematical calculations, that the Big Bang theory couldn't be correct because of the amount of carbon in the universe. You can read his story here, www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article, you can also watch a video about his background here, youtu.be/g91IQsS2spA.

Jacob says that he is developing a new theory for how the universe began.

What do you think?

Do you think that people try to understand and agree with this theory because the alternative may be believing in creation?

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4/27/2012
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I'm a creationist as well (or ID if you wish).  The reading and the video on Jake was interesting to say the least.  The little snipits they had on Astronomy was fun, because now I actually had a clue of what he was talking about.  My answer to your question is yes, most must hold fast to a no-God universe, because to admit it would turn on a whole new set of obligations and responsibilities that are too much to bear.  As you know a belief in creationism does not for one nano-second detract one from scientific inquiry.  Indeed some of the greatest scientist past and present are Creationist.  Contrary to what most people think, Creationist are more open minded than non-Creationist.  Learning about Jake and others like him should cause everyone to pause and wonder at the limit of our current scientific understanding of so many things.  We would be wise to take what we know, build on it, but be careful not to be to dogmatic about our conclusions. 

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withoutawire said:

I believe in a creator. I also believe the creator most likely created the universe with a big bang. I think there were probably many universes before this one and there will be many afterwards. I think to not believe in a creator is sad and naive.

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Shins said:

What exactly is a creationist?

i believe thing were and are created, am i a creationist?

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reeferaddict69 said:

withoutawire said:

I believe in a creator. I also believe the creator most likely created the universe with a big bang. I think there were probably many universes before this one and there will be many afterwards. I think to not believe in a creator is sad and naive.

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Why would a creator god use the big bang to create the universe?  Why not just think it into existence?  The multiverse theory is interesting and can explain many things.  Why would one believe in a creator when there's no evidence that there is one?  To me that's sad and naive.

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reeferaddict69 said:

Shins said:

What exactly is a creationist?

i believe thing were and are created, am i a creationist?

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What do you mean created?  Nothing was "created" from the big bang.  Give an example of what you consider to be a creation in the universe?

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Shins said:

reeferaddict69 said:

Shins said:

What exactly is a creationist?

i believe thing were and are created, am i a creationist?

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What do you mean created?  Nothing was "created" from the big bang.  Give an example of what you consider to be a creation in the universe?

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nothing was created by the big bang? hmm... everything?i

big bang is a theory anyway, not necessarly truth.

im about to make dinner, i am creating a meal.  yes i am only changing the state of the matter, but i am still creating a new state.


youve got to realise that "creationist" myths arent meant to be read literally, but metaphorically, or allegorically.

what if i consider the universe itself god?


i noticed you mentioned multiverses, where is the evidence for that?!

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Gravity's a theory to brah.

Shins said:

Thats bullshit and there is no evidence to back that up.

Copenhagen quantam mechanics is not backed by evidence, just assumption.

its a freeking religion for christs sake.

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Shins said:

Thats bullshit and there is no evidence to back that up.

Copenhagen quantam mechanics is not backed by evidence, just assumption.

its a freeking religion for christs sake.

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Shins said:

It assumes that if one does not observe something, every possible thing is happening at once.

A quantam mechanist would say that if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, it did not fall, but instead exists in some quantam flux multi-dimension where any and every outcome is happening at once until someone walks up to see "hey it fell."

it assumes that the double slit experiment proves it when it doesnt.

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