The Ecstatic said:

trip forever said:

I don't believe he's the asshole for trying to lay guilt on him.

To many dedicated Christians it truly saddens them that one is going down the "wrong path" (in their mind) and all they wish to do is help.

He may be being an asshole, but keep in mind he's just trying to do the right thing. (in his mind)

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yeah but thats why he's an asshole.

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DivineIntensity said:

My family asked me to go to church with them(they still think I'm Christian). So I went, and the service wasn't all that bad but...my cousin is the head pastor and while he was sharing the preaching today he kept staring at me.

And the service was about falling away from christ or whatever...

He even made a point of saying he'd been praying for someone really close to him or w/e and then he had an altar call for christians who are "backsliding". And he seemed genuinely emotional and like he actually cared...but I didn't go up.

I didn't feel shit and I don't want to dedicate my life to something I don't believe in, he seemed pretty sad when I didn't go up though...

am I an ass for not going up?

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Shroomism said:

I believe in a higher creative power, but FUCK organized religion right in the ass.

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You quoted me saying "respect their beliefs, but if they don't respect yours what kind of one sided bullshit is that?". Then proceed to say fuck organized religions.

What kind of one sided bullshit is that not to respect their beliefs? Practice what you preach. (I'm quoting you, so I'm still respecting your beliefs )

reeferaddict69 said:

Lol, just do what I do and say you're too tired to wake up that early.  I'm pretty sure my parents know I'm at least agnostic.  Although I am pretty much an agnostic atheist now.

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The thing is the preacher always pull this bullshit "youre tired for work, but go anyways, why? Because there's a payday at the end, and trust me there's a payday for repenting your sins (heaven)" (I'm quoting that word for word)

As well as "you cant take an hour of your day for Jesus when he died for your sins?"

It's ironic, going to church makes me less Christian as I notice all the contradictions.

(I'm not Christian at all)

Shroomism said:

I believe in a higher creative power, but FUCK organized religion right in the ass.

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This statement sent me on a small, mini-trip.  Many thoughts were had in a very short amount of time.

Life.. just get's me sometimes.  That reminds me I was actually brought to tears like a week ago (last Sunday) after a strong acid trip and emotions and life and all that hit me at once.  I really can't get over how much more I appreciate the small things now, how much more I NOTICE the small things now, the big things now, everything.. can't even describe.

trip forever said:

The Ecstatic said:

trip forever said:

I don't believe he's the asshole for trying to lay guilt on him.

To many dedicated Christians it truly saddens them that one is going down the "wrong path" (in their mind) and all they wish to do is help.

He may be being an asshole, but keep in mind he's just trying to do the right thing. (in his mind)

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yeah but thats why he's an asshole.

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He's an asshole because he gave someone a concerning look on his face?


OP's interpretation of the event may not be true.

To extreme, thank you for helping prove my point. Them trying to help makes them an asshole, just because you guys think it's wrong what he's doing? Yes, it may be wrong, but that does not make him an asshole.

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trip forever said:

reeferaddict69 said:

Lol, just do what I do and say you're too tired to wake up that early.  I'm pretty sure my parents know I'm at least agnostic.  Although I am pretty much an agnostic atheist now.

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The thing is the preacher always pull this bullshit "youre tired for work, but go anyways, why? Because there's a payday at the end, and trust me there's a payday for repenting your sins (heaven)" (I'm quoting that word for word)

As well as "you cant take an hour of your day for Jesus when he died for your sins?"

It's ironic, going to church makes me less Christian as I notice all the contradictions.

(I'm not Christian at all)

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mikeisapro said:

Yeah, and fuck showing up at these gatherings like you're one of them.

You are keeping it alive, you are part of the problem.

We are so afraid to outwardly deny religion in public in america, and it's fucking ridiculous. It needs to be openly denied.

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I don't have a problem with religion at all, I just don't believe what he believes.

He wasn't forcing it on me, he was just trying to nudge me to go up - it felt like a guilt trip but he rarely does this to me, it's not like this is a daily thing.

Maybe he really felt it in his heart? Hell, I don't know.

Regardless I have no beef with religion whatsoever, I just don't believe it - and them knowing I don't believe it changes nothing other than making them feel like shit thinking I'm going to be burning in an eternal hell fire.

At least... That's the way I'm looking at it.

trip forever said:

That's my point that those quotes are retarded. Yes, Christians are ignorant.

So are the people who don't respect their beliefs as they feel it's wrong. (I think christianty is wrong, but I respect their beliefs)

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DivineIntensity said:

mikeisapro said:

Yeah, and fuck showing up at these gatherings like you're one of them.

You are keeping it alive, you are part of the problem.

We are so afraid to outwardly deny religion in public in america, and it's fucking ridiculous. It needs to be openly denied.

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I don't have a problem with religion at all, I just don't believe what he believes.

He wasn't forcing it on me, he was just trying to nudge me to go up - it felt like a guilt trip but he rarely does this to me, it's not like this is a daily thing.

Maybe he really felt it in his heart? Hell, I don't know.

Regardless I have no beef with religion whatsoever, I just don't believe it - and them knowing I don't believe it changes nothing other than making them feel like shit thinking I'm going to be burning in an eternal hell fire.

At least... That's the way I'm looking at it.

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The way you see religion seems kinda similar to myself.

I've thought it would be a good idea at times to just outright deny religion as Mike is saying.. just like at times I've thought it would be beneficial to outright give everyone LSD.  Then after some more thinking.. maybe that isn't the answer..

Not everyone can handle powerful psychedelics.. and just as many can't handle knowing that after they die their consciousness as they know it may cease to exist.

Maybe a few generations from now this won't be a problem.  But for you and everyone else's parents parents (your grandparents, if anyone is fundamental as shit it's likely them) I think it's best to let some of them die off in peace before we bring such a change on everyone.

I put drugs and their legality on a VERY similar plane as religion and the laws regarding that.  We have one legal intoxicant, alcohol, which doesn't usually get too many people questioning the meaning of life.  The rest aren't illegal to protect us from the "demons inside the rest of the drugs" that the media or whatever will have you try and believe, but they are illegal because of racism and ignorance and fear.  When substances that shake you to your core start becoming more popular, religion should see a trend going the opposite direction.  People being rocked to their core on drugs shouldn't need religion to rock them at their core anymore

But again, is 2012 the right year for all this?  Patience is a virtue.

You think it's tough growing up around religion, even partially believing it, for 15-20 years.. well try being 80 years old and believing in Christ for 80 years then having it taken from you and told it's all bullshit right as you're developing Alzheimer's about to die.  That's just not good for that generation.

I think I'm still kinda high on MXE from last night