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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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usulpsychonaut said:
Icelander said:
White Beard said:
A sock.



Yes this is the most honest reply so far imo. :thumbup:

No one knows if the universe is conscious of itself imo. Those who believe it do so because someone told them so.  So...


This is annoying, I have no original thought, never figured anything out myself, just too damned stupid. Gratitude for Alan Watts, Timothy Leary and Terence McKenna for the most satisfying explanations. Without the words of these people my reality would be far more lonely and drunk. There are many others who I've learned from too. But I agree, what can I say that I was not told? nothing! I am so full of shit and I'm going to puke.


The Universe is conscious of itself?
Then how annoyed at itself is it for not realizing that it is, in fact itself.. The Universe.. ?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: exovargonklocale]
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exovargonklocale said:
I think it a beautiful art to speculate and create perspectives on things that can never be proven.
i.e all thing


Oh I agree,  until we being to pass them off as truth I mean.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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usulpsychonaut said:
Icelander said:
White Beard said:
A sock.



Yes this is the most honest reply so far imo. :thumbup:

No one knows if the universe is conscious of itself imo. Those who believe it do so because someone told them so.  So...


This is annoying, I have no original thought, never figured anything out myself, just too damned stupid. Gratitude for Alan Watts, Timothy Leary and Terence McKenna for the most satisfying explanations. Without the words of these people my reality would be far more lonely and drunk. There are many others who I've learned from too. But I agree, what can I say that I was not told? nothing! I am so full of shit and I'm going to puke.



Me either,  I don't know what is true by any means but I am pretty good at spotting the bs of others that claim they know. :lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Icelander]
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Truth is a choice.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
The universe being conscious of itself

IYO is anything greater than this?


the universe see's itself through your eyes...

Kensho :psychsplit:

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: cateyes] * 1
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"We are just the Universe experiencing itself"

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Icelander] * 2
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Icelander said:
Me either,  I don't know what is true by any means but I am pretty good at spotting the bs of others that claim they know. :lol:


how can anyone spot bullshit when they don't know the truth themselves?

Kensho :psychsplit:

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: cateyes]
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cateyes said:
Icelander said:
Me either,  I don't know what is true by any means but I am pretty good at spotting the bs of others that claim they know. :lol:


how can anyone spot bullshit when they don't know the truth themselves?

Kensho :psychsplit:


there are lots of things that are obviously not true.

I just ran 3 million miles. Finished 5 minutes ago.
You don't know the truth of what I actually did but it is pretty easy to see the bullshit in that statement.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: cateyes]
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cateyes said:
Icelander said:
Me either,  I don't know what is true by any means but I am pretty good at spotting the bs of others that claim they know. :lol:


how can anyone spot bullshit when they don't know the truth themselves?

Just because one can recognize bullshit doesn't necessarily mean that they can also recognize the truth; also, just because one can't recognize the truth doesn't necessarily mean that they can't recognize bullshit.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Poid]
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I disagree... if you don't know what's true then you can't say what's false.  For example, if I don't know what's true then I can't validly claim that a certain statement X is false because it could be true for all I know.  However, pragmatically speaking, I can recognize bullshit because I have a pretty good idea what's true and what's false, even if I don't know these things for certain.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: deCypher]
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Yeah I'v made a similar argument refuting the claim that it is "impossible for anyone to know" one thing or another.

If one admits they do not know what the truth is than how are they suppose to be able to say whether or not that truth can or cannot be known.


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..and may the zelda theme song be with you at all times, amen.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: cateyes]
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cateyes said:
Icelander said:
Me either,  I don't know what is true by any means but I am pretty good at spotting the bs of others that claim they know. :lol:


how can anyone spot bullshit when they don't know the truth themselves?

Kensho :psychsplit:


experience with human psychology


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Icelander] * 1
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Icelander said:
White Beard said:
A sock.



Yes this is the most honest reply so far imo. :thumbup:

No one knows if the universe is conscious of itself imo. Those who believe it do so because someone told them so.  So...


are you serious.  we are all made of atoms that came from exploding stars, part of a process of evolution that has been happening since the big bang.  The atoms in our bodies (by themselves) aren't any more conscious than the atoms in a sock.  Both the sock and our bodies are the universe.  But people are self conscious and socks aren't. Our atoms have obviously formed in a pattern capable of intelligence. So...we are the universe conscious of itself, by definition.  It's logically impossible to be any other way.

Personally I think that everything is consciousness/intelligence, but even if you don't think that, it's still pretty obvious that chronic's claim is true.


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check out my music!
drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: g00ru]
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Quote:
If one admits they do not know what the truth is than how are they suppose to be able to say whether or not that truth can or cannot be known.


I think the point would be to speculate, even if there is no certainty.
You can speak with confident uncertainty.
Paradoxes exist.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
...if I don't know what's true then I can't validly claim that a certain statement X is false because it could be true for all I know.

If you know what's false, though, you would know whether or not statement X is false.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
deCypher said:
...if I don't know what's true then I can't validly claim that a certain statement X is false because it could be true for all I know.

If you know what's false, though, you would know whether or not statement X is false.


If I have a list of propositions that I know to be false, then I can automatically create a list of propositions that I know to be true simply by taking the negations of the elements of my original list.  Knowing what's false therefore entails knowing what's true.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
If I have a list of propositions that I know to be false, then I can automatically create a list of propositions that I know to be true simply by taking the negations of the elements of my original list.  Knowing what's false therefore entails knowing what's true.


what if your knowledge is limited and your unable to recognize that falsehoods remain in X? you can't automatically assume everything else must be true because you generated a list of falsehoods... it's why when you read conclusions of research studies... generally all of them state towards the end that further studies are necessary... because they recognize that other possibilities may remain...

Kensho :psychsplit:

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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usulpsychonaut said:
Icelander said:
White Beard said:
A sock.



Yes this is the most honest reply so far imo. :thumbup:

No one knows if the universe is conscious of itself imo. Those who believe it do so because someone told them so.  So...


This is annoying, I have no original thought, never figured anything out myself, just too damned stupid. Gratitude for Alan Watts, Timothy Leary and Terence McKenna for the most satisfying explanations. Without the words of these people my reality would be far more lonely and drunk. There are many others who I've learned from too. But I agree, what can I say that I was not told? nothing! I am so full of shit and I'm going to puke.



Really? Honestly, I feel like they merely put into words that which I already felt, thereby accentuating WHAT I felt.

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
Icelander said:
White Beard said:
A sock.



Yes this is the most honest reply so far imo. :thumbup:

No one knows if the universe is conscious of itself imo. Those who believe it do so because someone told them so.  So...


are you serious.  we are all made of atoms that came from exploding stars, part of a process of evolution that has been happening since the big bang.  The atoms in our bodies (by themselves) aren't any more conscious than the atoms in a sock.  Both the sock and our bodies are the universe.  But people are self conscious and socks aren't. Our atoms have obviously formed in a pattern capable of intelligence. So...we are the universe conscious of itself, by definition.  It's logically impossible to be any other way.

Personally I think that everything is consciousness/intelligence, but even if you don't think that, it's still pretty obvious that chronic's claim is true.


Socks don't have billions upon billions of neural synapses, prefrontal cortexes or pineal glands. HUZZAH

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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: 404]
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Quote:
Socks don't have billions upon billions of neural synapses, prefrontal cortexes or pineal glands.


No? Well technically socks developed after humans, so aren't they further evolutionarily advanced?
I mean, and if everything is one, then maybe Socks created humans, who had feet, for them to be able to express themselves all over.. :smile:


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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