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yet they never stood still and thought that maybe someone might have written the language?

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How can scientists not see the intelligence behind DNA?

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But can you randomly generate a work of William Shakespeare?

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Imagine finding a book on the moon. And then science would claim, the book was randomly generated, and it was not written by an intelligence.

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We discover DNA as a coherent, foreign language, put together in words, sentences, paragraphes, chapters and then in books, and the nwe go claim this was all random generation?

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If you have a book, there is obviously an author, as simply as that. Or did the book write itself?

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Diaboleros said:

How would you verify the randomly generated work to be the work of shakespear? You would already need to work of shakespear in your possession in order to verify it.


Random generating the word NO
ID
DZ
ZE
DZ
DJ
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DU
NO
ohhh stop there we have it! it's the word no!

I hope you see, that there needs to be an intelligence that syas "oh here it is, the word no! now we can stop randomly generating" But if that intelligence already knows what the word "no" looks like, what is the point in randomly generating it in the first place?

If true randomness exists, why can't computers randomly generate anything at all? All random in the computer world is psuedorandom. Random generators are based on extensive mathematical, but predictable, formulas, which are seeded to create a different result each time. But they are not random. The closest thing to random generation in computer science, is attaching an external device that generates randomness based on atomic decay. Which is again only random because we don't understand the process behind the atomic decay, we can't predict it.

Everything has a cause, everything has an effect, true randomness does not exist. Yet this is the very explanation of science how DNA came to be.

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Diaboleros said:

Sad to see you gave up on your quest and just decided to copy the obviously uncomplete theory that our current science is offering right now.

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What is the point repeating that which science has already said 1000 times?

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Spamming the same answer to this question over and over, isn't going to solve the mystery.

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Randomness doesn't exist, and at the same time you claim DNA happened through random mutation. Where is the logic behind this?

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Diaboleros said:

DNA consists out of the molecules T G C A, which in turn consist out of H N C O. Water, Fire, Earth, Air. The 4 elements.

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DNA is written as a language, with sentences, words, paragraphs, punctuation, and it is fractally encoded, very much like a "zip-file" on a computer. If DNA is written, who is the writer?

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maybe someone might have written the language? So what is wrong with scientists, are they all extremely stupid or what?

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I mean, seriously. The very definition of a language is to communicate, the very definition of communication is interaction between intelligence. How can scientists not see the intelligence behind DNA?

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Science claims DNA is randomly generated. But can you randomly generate a work of William Shakespeare?

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Humans are tiny bit more complex than a book tho. Imagine finding a book on the moon. And then science would claim, the book was randomly generated, and it was not written by an intelligence. This is exactly what science is claiming about DNA.

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So what the hell is wrong with scientists? How can they, out of all people, be so extremely blind? If you have a book, there is obviously an author, as simply as that. Or did the book write itself?

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You honestly believe, it is possible for a lizard, to magically evovle into a lizard that can change its skin color at will?

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Diaboleros said:

You honestly believe, it is possible for a lizard, to magically evovle into a lizard that can change its skin color at will? How exactly will natural selection take care of that? You say, evolution is a very slow process, so it would be virtually impossible to be so lucky, that so many random mutations occur, after eachother, and that out of these random mutations, just like that, a lizard is created who can change it's skin at will. By the time, you have enough random mutations for this event to occur, the lizard will already be extinct.

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Evolution theory is full of logical flaws, and apparently I'm the only one who sees this? There isn't even any geoligcal evidence to back up the evolution theory!

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Diaboleros said:

There is no such thing as random, every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect. This is basic logic, and the evolution theory is going against this. Random can only seem random, when we cannot understand the cause.

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Of coursr every effect has cause and otherways, if we look at chameleon, he surely didn't evolve randomly so,
he evolved so because that's where he was living countless decades and that exact evolution happened because it was
best way for him, since he lives in such conditions.

The change itself is chaotic, because there's no one to predict it and control, only way is to directly experience it as a chameleon.

HeartAndMind said:

Diaboleros said:

There is no such thing as random, every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect. This is basic logic, and the evolution theory is going against this. Random can only seem random, when we cannot understand the cause.

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Of coursr every effect has cause and otherways, if we look at chameleon, he surely didn't evolve randomly so,
he evolved so because that's where he was living countless decades and that exact evolution happened because it was
best way for him, since he lives in such conditions.

The change itself is chaotic, because there's no one to predict it and control, only way is to directly experience it as a chameleon.

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Unison said:

HeartAndMind said:

Diaboleros said:

There is no such thing as random, every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect. This is basic logic, and the evolution theory is going against this. Random can only seem random, when we cannot understand the cause.

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Of coursr every effect has cause and otherways, if we look at chameleon, he surely didn't evolve randomly so,
he evolved so because that's where he was living countless decades and that exact evolution happened because it was
best way for him, since he lives in such conditions.

The change itself is chaotic, because there's no one to predict it and control, only way is to directly experience it as a chameleon.

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Wrong. Actually, at the sub-atomic level, everything is completely random. An atom does not have a specific location, it only has a location where it most likely is.

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You're talkin about free electron, atom has specific bound to other atoms thru electrons location .
There's field that affects those particles tho.

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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The Chronic said:

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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I see DNA sometimes when i'm meditating, the thing is, just seeing it is enough, i never think to ask what it is, why it is, what it does...
Sometimes the total awe of witnessing complexity, the mystery, is better than knowing the different aspects/components of the complexity
I think being in total awe is probably one of the greatest experiences possible

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Indeed electrons aren't random, they are just hard to pin down because they are so small so we use the concept of electronclouds. The field HeartAndMind is talking about.

Thanks for that long post Unison was an interesting read. But I still can't get over the fact, that if mutations are random, and if changes occur in such small stepts, that the odds if similar mutations following up and adding up to eachother, are very very very small. Practically non-existent. Evolution through random mutation is mathematically impossible.

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/religion/artikel.php?ID=197854

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Diaboleros said:

The Chronic said:

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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I see DNA sometimes when i'm meditating, the thing is, just seeing it is enough, i never think to ask what it is, why it is, what it does...
Sometimes the total awe of witnessing complexity, the mystery, is better than knowing the different aspects/components of the complexity
I think being in total awe is probably one of the greatest experiences possible

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Wow! Now that is cool. Did you know the structure of DNA was discovered this way by some woman, like you did? How do you do it?

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HeartAndMind said:

How are DMT trips btw?

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I wouldn't recommend smoking it put it that way its not fun
The only people i reckon should ever do it are serious meditators, and if i met a serious meditator i would never expect them to take DMT
Figure that one out & you won't need DMT

I would highly recommend extracting some & growing crystals, its my latest hobby

The Chronic said:

Diaboleros said:

The Chronic said:

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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I see DNA sometimes when i'm meditating, the thing is, just seeing it is enough, i never think to ask what it is, why it is, what it does...
Sometimes the total awe of witnessing complexity, the mystery, is better than knowing the different aspects/components of the complexity
I think being in total awe is probably one of the greatest experiences possible

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Wow! Now that is cool. Did you know the structure of DNA was discovered this way by some woman, like you did? How do you do it?

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I heard Crick used LSD to discover DNA but i didn't know he saw it meditating for a fact, i assumed he first saw it on LSD & then somehow tried to prove it in other ways, id like more info on that if you know of it... but in regards as how do i do it, sorry but i have absolutely no idea, sometimes its there, sometimes its not, i'm sure if i consciously tried to see it i probly would not be able to, or if i was able to, i would consider it a product of my intention/imagination, not an actual co-existent reality.

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Diaboleros said:

Something is weird about you chronic

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inexplicably so...

Icelander said:

I saw dna in the form of intertwined snakes on many of my Salvia voyages. A very common theme for me.

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The old samsara snakes eh, i've had em appear quite a fair bit

This wasn't an intertwined medicine staff/kundalini type snake image but i just remembered during the first time i took LSD, only for about half an hour, whenever i closed my eyes i would see snakes snapping & lunging at me with bared fangs, but they were made of space & impacting on space so there was no threat, i've only done LSD twice but it was interesting the way its stretched out, i just felt it lurked in my system for much longer than any other psychedelic, the second time i took it it was about 6 good hits and i swear i could literally feel it in my blood for almost a week, it didn't feel clean or pure.

Hoffman called it medicine for the soul, i'd like to try the LSD he made to complete my hatrick

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Whoa, that's beautiful Is it DMT??
I see what you are saying, but do you also do so?
I don't know, if I'll make some I will definitely want to smoke it, it's like teasing

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Sent you the pic in a PM, doesn't belong out here...

I had one big DMT session & have taken some twice since, i may again before the end of the year, but after that honestly i don't think ill ever inhale it again, but i will still grow crystals as its so enjoyable

There's a place that sober meditation can reveal to you with a clarity that nothing can compare to, really when we take psychedelics all we do is get our feet wet, true meditation is diving right in & not coming back up for air, the best DMT trips were the ones i came out of & said 'i never need any kind of 'high' again', i still feel this way



See im allowed to contradict myself, its what i do