Diaboleros said:

You honestly believe, it is possible for a lizard, to magically evovle into a lizard that can change its skin color at will? How exactly will natural selection take care of that? You say, evolution is a very slow process, so it would be virtually impossible to be so lucky, that so many random mutations occur, after eachother, and that out of these random mutations, just like that, a lizard is created who can change it's skin at will. By the time, you have enough random mutations for this event to occur, the lizard will already be extinct.

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Evolution theory is full of logical flaws, and apparently I'm the only one who sees this? There isn't even any geoligcal evidence to back up the evolution theory!

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Diaboleros said:

There is no such thing as random, every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect. This is basic logic, and the evolution theory is going against this. Random can only seem random, when we cannot understand the cause.

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Of coursr every effect has cause and otherways, if we look at chameleon, he surely didn't evolve randomly so,
he evolved so because that's where he was living countless decades and that exact evolution happened because it was
best way for him, since he lives in such conditions.

The change itself is chaotic, because there's no one to predict it and control, only way is to directly experience it as a chameleon.

HeartAndMind said:

Diaboleros said:

There is no such thing as random, every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect. This is basic logic, and the evolution theory is going against this. Random can only seem random, when we cannot understand the cause.

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Of coursr every effect has cause and otherways, if we look at chameleon, he surely didn't evolve randomly so,
he evolved so because that's where he was living countless decades and that exact evolution happened because it was
best way for him, since he lives in such conditions.

The change itself is chaotic, because there's no one to predict it and control, only way is to directly experience it as a chameleon.

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Unison said:

HeartAndMind said:

Diaboleros said:

There is no such thing as random, every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect. This is basic logic, and the evolution theory is going against this. Random can only seem random, when we cannot understand the cause.

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Of coursr every effect has cause and otherways, if we look at chameleon, he surely didn't evolve randomly so,
he evolved so because that's where he was living countless decades and that exact evolution happened because it was
best way for him, since he lives in such conditions.

The change itself is chaotic, because there's no one to predict it and control, only way is to directly experience it as a chameleon.

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Wrong. Actually, at the sub-atomic level, everything is completely random. An atom does not have a specific location, it only has a location where it most likely is.

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You're talkin about free electron, atom has specific bound to other atoms thru electrons location .
There's field that affects those particles tho.

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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The Chronic said:

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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I see DNA sometimes when i'm meditating, the thing is, just seeing it is enough, i never think to ask what it is, why it is, what it does...
Sometimes the total awe of witnessing complexity, the mystery, is better than knowing the different aspects/components of the complexity
I think being in total awe is probably one of the greatest experiences possible

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Diaboleros said:

Indeed electrons aren't random, they are just hard to pin down because they are so small so we use the concept of electronclouds. The field HeartAndMind is talking about.

Thanks for that long post Unison was an interesting read. But I still can't get over the fact, that if mutations are random, and if changes occur in such small stepts, that the odds if similar mutations following up and adding up to eachother, are very very very small. Practically non-existent. Evolution through random mutation is mathematically impossible.

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/religion/artikel.php?ID=197854

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Diaboleros said:

The Chronic said:

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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I see DNA sometimes when i'm meditating, the thing is, just seeing it is enough, i never think to ask what it is, why it is, what it does...
Sometimes the total awe of witnessing complexity, the mystery, is better than knowing the different aspects/components of the complexity
I think being in total awe is probably one of the greatest experiences possible

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Wow! Now that is cool. Did you know the structure of DNA was discovered this way by some woman, like you did? How do you do it?

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HeartAndMind said:

How are DMT trips btw?

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I wouldn't recommend smoking it put it that way its not fun
The only people i reckon should ever do it are serious meditators, and if i met a serious meditator i would never expect them to take DMT
Figure that one out & you won't need DMT

I would highly recommend extracting some & growing crystals, its my latest hobby

The Chronic said:

Diaboleros said:

The Chronic said:

c0sm0nautt said:

DNA is a pretty big mystery... much more complex than anything the human mind can fathom.

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I see DNA sometimes when i'm meditating, the thing is, just seeing it is enough, i never think to ask what it is, why it is, what it does...
Sometimes the total awe of witnessing complexity, the mystery, is better than knowing the different aspects/components of the complexity
I think being in total awe is probably one of the greatest experiences possible

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Wow! Now that is cool. Did you know the structure of DNA was discovered this way by some woman, like you did? How do you do it?

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I heard Crick used LSD to discover DNA but i didn't know he saw it meditating for a fact, i assumed he first saw it on LSD & then somehow tried to prove it in other ways, id like more info on that if you know of it... but in regards as how do i do it, sorry but i have absolutely no idea, sometimes its there, sometimes its not, i'm sure if i consciously tried to see it i probly would not be able to, or if i was able to, i would consider it a product of my intention/imagination, not an actual co-existent reality.

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Diaboleros said:

Something is weird about you chronic

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inexplicably so...

Icelander said:

I saw dna in the form of intertwined snakes on many of my Salvia voyages. A very common theme for me.

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The old samsara snakes eh, i've had em appear quite a fair bit

This wasn't an intertwined medicine staff/kundalini type snake image but i just remembered during the first time i took LSD, only for about half an hour, whenever i closed my eyes i would see snakes snapping & lunging at me with bared fangs, but they were made of space & impacting on space so there was no threat, i've only done LSD twice but it was interesting the way its stretched out, i just felt it lurked in my system for much longer than any other psychedelic, the second time i took it it was about 6 good hits and i swear i could literally feel it in my blood for almost a week, it didn't feel clean or pure.

Hoffman called it medicine for the soul, i'd like to try the LSD he made to complete my hatrick