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Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video)
    #5706773 - 06/03/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Did the ancient Egyptian technology extend into mastery of the afterlife? In the Valley of the Kings, the tombs of Seti I and Tuthmosis III  ... all » have been closed to the public for over a decade. Arcane funerary texts cover the walls of the tombs with a bewildering list of spells and secrets that allow the deceased to navigate the afterlife. Dr. Rick Strassman, author of "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" discusses the biochemistry of the death experience and the role of the mysterious pineal gland. Our powerful interaction with DMT is shedding new light on the ancient understanding of the "third eye" or pineal gland as the seat of consciousness. Lon Milo Duquette discusses the strange state of consciousness known as Lucid Dreaming and its unexpected relationship with the afterlife experience.




now THIS is something I can get down with  :thumbup:

I am reeeaallyyy tempted to cross-post this in psych exp. forum.  is that out of line?  :eek:


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: kotik]
    #5707075 - 06/03/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

THANK YOU for this link - it was FANTASTIC!


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5707613 - 06/03/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

more than happy to share. Glad I'm not recycling old topics (or at least, I don't think I am)


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: kotik]
    #5708261 - 06/03/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I was looking at the words in the post title and thought, Hmmmm I'm reading on the pineal gland in a chapter of a book right now. Wonder if the author is the same dude. YUP!

The book is called

DMT The Spirit Molecule

I'm only on chapter three and its beginning to get verrrrry interesting. :thumbup:

I was going to post about it when I finished. So far, I would recommend it to any regular of the spirituality forums at the shroomery.

I can't wait to see what he has uncovered from the science end as I want to understand more about all of this myself. So far he is posing DMT as the consciousness interface between spirit and matter.

Right now, I am put off by his accounts of how the government kept putting the screws on researching endogenous DMT(made in the body) What don't they want the researchers to find out?  :smirk:

I'm hoping by the end of the book that won't be the case anymore and research into endogenous DMT is better supported now..

Anyone here read it?

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5708302 - 06/03/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yea i've read it.
DMT=the spirit molecule
psilocybin=orally active DMT
mushrooms=the spirit food (holy manna)


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Telepylus]
    #5708739 - 06/03/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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psilocybin=orally active DMT




mind explaining that?


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5708812 - 06/03/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Im also currently reading it, im just over half done, I read a chapter last night after a long 2 month break, its a great book, on a crazy drug :laugh: :heart:

Let me know what you think when youve finished.


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Springs]
    #5709082 - 06/03/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Really? Cool. Tele has and I bet others have. When I am done I will definitely post on the book and maybe some interesting discussion will follow.

Tell me, now, did our government ever to date lighten up on testing endogenous DMT?

I can't believe what I am reading about that.

Why so much study, support, interest and Nobel Prizes given out for endorphin research but not DMT the body makes research?

I should be done in a day or two.

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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5709354 - 06/03/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I honestly dont know, I really do doubt it though, most of the research that Ive heard about has been from MAPS(www.maps.org) Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. Their page on research only has strassmans 95' study listed.

Sad really, although I stongly recommend DMT research to anyone intriueged and interested, its amazing. :psychsplit: :royalrainbow:


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: kotik]
    #5709449 - 06/03/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You can download it off of here:

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5709995 - 06/04/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)
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Thanks man.


BTW here is..." The Spirit Molecule" in .pdf format.


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: kotik]
    #5710757 - 06/04/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Our powerful interaction with DMT is shedding new light on the ancient understanding of the "third eye" or pineal gland as the seat of consciousness.

Are you aware that a type of brain cancer called a glioma can occur in a person's pineal gland. The treatment of choice for these types of cancers is the surgical resection of the entire pineal gland and surrounding tissue.

Prognosis in most cases is excellent. Most patients recover fully and with their consciousness intact. :shrug:


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Diploid]
    #5710779 - 06/04/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you dont need to have a soul to be concious! (or do you?)  :crazy2:


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Diploid]
    #5711190 - 06/04/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Dip, This guy and his work is easy to shred on until you understand how he writes. He is an MD who has studied the scientific research out there and does his own.  Though he takes a slow scientific approach to his methods and concedes when data proves his speculations incorrect, he STILL writes under suppositions that his speculations are the case until it gets confirmed to be or not to be.

Thats the one thing I don't like about his book DMT The Spirit Molecule, so far. I like that style when I am exploring possibilities with others, but when I read stuff from an MD looking for the science behind something, I DON'T like his speculative "as if" talk.

Especially when he writes of something he speculates on as if it s the case and then later in the book, he says, it was not.

NON the less, he is out there working to get some answers to questions people have. I thank him for that and providing us with whatever he dug up.

I could've told him and you that the seat of consciousness is not in the pineal gland. He's looking in the wrong place. Where conscious sits, the seat is still not the consciousness itself.

The other thing he doesn't seem to be considering (which would keep him from wasting some time)is to just isolate the darn molecule itself and explain how it acts as a consciousness interface between spirit and matter. He won't find it there either.

There was a long thread on quantum scientists working on this same endeavor, and the best of their research brought them to a protein isotope in a different neuro transmitter. I wish I could remember the post and the name of it and what they discovered about it and why they think it may be a converter.

They had a god enough speculative case to keep it in consideration.

I think DMT just plays a supportive role. I still appreciate learning about it, and maybe the more I learn about it, it may offer me insight into what it is supporting that acts as the interface.

Remember dip, you are in MR&P. People are just exploring here who have an interest in a possible bio-chemical consciousness interface/converter between spirit and matter.

While you are here, you can contribute in your own way to this casual memebership quest. Do you have links to the pineal gland surgeries. I'd like to read them. Has it become completely removed from people and were they tested to have shown, no more traces of DMT in their bodies?

That was a question I had while reading the book. (Still not finished) I wondered what would happen if it was completely removed.

What do they take out when they give people a labotomy by the way. Anyone know?

My next question regarding these surgeries is, did they have to put the patients on any medication to supplement what the pineal produces?

For people reading, the seat of spirit consciousness is in the heart chakra if you want to look at the chakras, not the 6th, and beyond that, I speculate that it comes down to mono atomic quantum spins, that are everywhere in the body that create vortices that pull it in and that every molecule has its own form of consciousness.

I don't know what in the tangible will be found if anything related to isolating consciousnesss itself.

To me, its like you and a car. The car works when you give it energy to run on and someone to drive it "control its speed and steering".

You are not the car.

Tell me where we ever are found in the molecules of the car itself? We can cleanly get in and out of it. It's not our physical body, just as the physical body vehicle is not the spirit body vehicle.  These bodies are like vehicles spirit drives around.

A car running with no driver in it would be like a person who is brain dead, a vegetable on life support. A car off would be like a dead body.

Now think about how we use a car. We convert energy to create pressure to create force to move it. We also apply force to the gas and break peddles,  to adjust speed, to the gear shifter to adjust energy burning efficiency and we apply force to the steering wheel, to change direction of movement.

Consider it from the cars point of view. Something OUTSIDE of it is pushing on its peddles, stick shift and steering wheel. It doesn't do it by itself. Even if run by remote control, a person is controlling it, like spirit to a car or using a remote on a car.

Something from outside of it (fuel source) running through it, and being put under pressure by the engine, moves it.

Knowing how the peddles, gear shifter and steering wheel work to drive the car does not make those parts the driver of the car. 

Knowing how converters, carborators, combustion chambers, or rotary engines work to move the car does not make those parts the force of pressure itself that is moving them.

Go ahead an equate gas to food. Engines have been made to run on Water too. (I think our bodies can as well someday :smile:.) That's besides the point. The point is , the gas is still NOT the driver of the car, nor is the food we eat anymore our consciousness.

Anyway, just my thoughts and insights.


Discover all you want to about the physical properties that make up the car and how it runs. Learn all about combustion. Neither the physical car itself or how fuel is run through it and combusted or used to create pressure and force, will lead you to discover a driver of the car built into it and of it.

Cars don't make drivers from out of their parts. Neither does our body make consciousness from out of its parts. Thats how I see it.

The driver is a separate thing that can get it to move.

This is why the sages have been saying for time eternal "we are not our bodies".

Diploid, I agree with you in your belief that spirit/consciousness won't ever be found in the physical body parts itself.  :smile:

I'm in this to understand how my spirit "designer, engineer, mechanic and driver" can more proficiently build, maintain and drive these bio body vehicles around.  :smile:

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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Diploid]
    #5711239 - 06/04/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

All he said is that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness.  So if someone has their pineal gland removed, their consciousness just has to stand from now on. :grin:


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Silversoul]
    #5711317 - 06/04/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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All he said is that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness.  So if someone has their pineal gland removed, their consciousness just has to stand from now on. :grin:




Or find somehwere else to sit. :lol: Thank you for summing up what I was saying. :thumbup:

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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5711711 - 06/04/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nice post man.I like the way you were trying to explain your point.


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5711842 - 06/04/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lobotomy = messing with the frontal lobes. olden days was an icepick swish swish swish thru the bone above the eye. yeah

nowadays they can do it with lazers. pineal is center of the brain i think, so lobotomy would affect that accidentally. but then again its all connected.


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: Diploid]
    #5711855 - 06/04/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Our powerful interaction with DMT is shedding new light on the ancient understanding of the "third eye" or pineal gland as the seat of consciousness.

Are you aware that a type of brain cancer called a glioma can occur in a person's pineal gland. The treatment of choice for these types of cancers is the surgical resection of the entire pineal gland and surrounding tissue.

Prognosis in most cases is excellent. Most patients recover fully and with their consciousness intact. :shrug:




the pineal gland is the third eye, not consciousness. not consciousness, Consciousness CONSCIOUSNESS, if you know what i mean. so a full recovery but maybe they cant be enlightened. how full is that?


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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5711973 - 06/04/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks newway, and thanks spring about what the lobotomy removes.

No need to post your links diploid. I'm on page 84 now and he says, pineal cancer or stroke can destroy it. He said, other organs in the body also manufacture the DMT enzyme.

This guy is just intrigued with its location in the brain to other centers where it is released directly into cerebral spinal fluid around them.

He just implies it's location in the brain affords for more heightened/intense perceptual experiences, released there.

Anyway, the book is becoming more of a pleasant, insightful meta-physical read.

Interesting insights on C-sections and reincarnation and how he involves frequency resonance with other stuff. That was cool to see more understand how that works related to triggering a release of it.

More to go. :smile:

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Re: Dr. Rick Strassman: biochemistry of death, mysterious pineal gland, and egyptian magic (video) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5713388 - 06/04/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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DMT The Spirit Molecule





Very good book.

I like Dr. Rick... he presents some out there theories, but knows the science behind his theories is still lacking... and he never claims to have discovered or proven more than he can present. Unlike many other "Scientists" who like to delve into the metaphysical... and "Claim" they can prove something amazing.

Dr. Rick's a helluva research scientist, and I'm rather interested in his topic of study. :wink:


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