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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: Noteworthy]
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You guys might like this. It's a classic. (If you're versed in math, don't spoil it by giving the answer).


a = b
a^2 = ab
a^2- b^2 = ab-b^2
(a-b)(a+b) = b(a-b)
a+b = b
b+b = b
2b = b

Therefore,

2 = 1 :razz:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: Diploid]
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^_^


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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
You guys might like this. It's a classic. (If you're versed in math, don't spoil it by giving the answer).


a = b
a^2 = ab
a^2- b^2 = ab-b^2
(a-b)(a+b) = b(a-b)
a+b = b
b+b = b
2b = b

Therefore,

2 = 1 :razz:


It holds for small values of 2 right?

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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: DieCommie]
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IDK the answer..... I have a hunch, but its not very math-y so its probably not right.


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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: Noteworthy]
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"But if you count forever, you never stop counting, so you never get a counted value for 'forever'. Thus there is no period of time that limits the counting. Thus there is no finite value that limits the answer to the question 'how many coins did you count?'."

Until you die. But that's not too relevant. You're missing my point that we can't even count infinity at all. It is not finite. There's no numbers to it, it is a concept.

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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: xFrockx]
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yeah.. thats why you never count to infinity. It doesnt mean you cant try. Infinity is still of a magnitude 'greater than' other numbers, thus it makes sense for a human to count in the direction of infinity without every reaching it.

eg. it doesnt make sense to 'travel to the east' in a sense because east is a direction, not a place. But it also makes sense too if you consider that the travelling just keeps going


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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: Noteworthy]
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You may not be able to count to infinity, but I can.  Not finite numbers of course, but I can count an infinite amount of distinctly different infinitesimals.  :razz:

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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: DieCommie]
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Georg Cantor could too! :naughty:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
I don't know if I'd say the limits are a part of reality, because no matter how reality was we'd still have the problem of Godel. If we tried to explain it all we would be fucked when it came time to explain the explanation, ans explain that, and that... forever.


Something that can fundamentally never be known is epistemically equivalent to something that doesn't exist. Its existence would never make any difference and could never be demonstrated, so why believe in it?


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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: Noteworthy]
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Noteworthy said:
However if we add the supposition that there are no true negative infinites or infinetissimals, we actually come to understand that 1/-infinetissimal is irreducibly (1/infinetissimal)*(-1). Thus it becomes (infinity)*(-1)


Why are there no true negative infinities or infinitesimals?  Given this informal notation, I see no problems with factoring out a -1, but why do so?

Noteworthy said:
The reason for no negative infinities seems to be related to the fact that that -1 is subservient to +1.


How so?


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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: deCypher]
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DieCommie said:
You may not be able to count to infinity, but I can.  Not finite numbers of course, but I can count an infinite amount of distinctly different infinitesimals.  :razz:


I wouldnt really call that 'counting', for I consider counting to be a cumulative linear process going from one value to another.
1, 2, 3, 4, etc.
deCypher said:
Noteworthy said:
However if we add the supposition that there are no true negative infinites or infinetissimals, we actually come to understand that 1/-infinetissimal is irreducibly (1/infinetissimal)*(-1). Thus it becomes (infinity)*(-1)


Why are there no true negative infinities or infinitesimals?  Given this informal notation, I see no problems with factoring out a -1, but why do so?

Noteworthy said:
The reason for no negative infinities seems to be related to the fact that that -1 is subservient to +1.


How so?


It was a bit ad hoc to begin with, but then i realised that it unified some parts of my system.

The "subservience" is, as the next sentence mentions, concerning the fact that negatives cancel out but positives do not.


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Re: Godels Theorem [Re: NetDiver]
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Samurai Drifter said:
xFrockx said:
I don't know if I'd say the limits are a part of reality, because no matter how reality was we'd still have the problem of Godel. If we tried to explain it all we would be fucked when it came time to explain the explanation, ans explain that, and that... forever.


Something that can fundamentally never be known is epistemically equivalent to something that doesn't exist. Its existence would never make any difference and could never be demonstrated, so why believe in it?


Well if that belief makes you happy and life more worthwhile that could be a good reason to believe it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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