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Russian Food?
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Anyone else a fan of Russian Cuisine? Borscht, Pirogi, Jarkoe, Zur Balish? It's a really hard menu to cook, but the results, if done correctly are AMAZING. I can't cook well enough yet, but someday, when I can afford all the ingredients and have the time, will cook up such a meal...
Russian food just has such powerful flavor, color, robust texture. If only I could speak Russian I'd go for a visit. It's really hard to find Russian ANYTHING here in Michigan, but I have a big ass Russian Cookbook.

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: limestoneman]
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You mean vodka?










Before today i have never thought about russian food, What main spices/ingredients are used? I don't think i have ever seen a russian restaurant here before :strokebeard:

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: lucas_southoz]
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I dunno, my ex's stepmother is Ukrainian and we used to eat with her regularly. Can't say I'm a fan of the absolutely excessive amounts of oil, butter and cream she used. Some of the dishes would have been quite nice without the overload of fat.

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: limestoneman]
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limestoneman said:
Anyone else a fan of Russian Cuisine? Borscht, Pirogi, Jarkoe, Zur Balish? It's a really hard menu to cook, but the results, if done correctly are AMAZING. I can't cook well enough yet, but someday, when I can afford all the ingredients and have the time, will cook up such a meal...
Russian food just has such powerful flavor, color, robust texture. If only I could speak Russian I'd go for a visit. It's really hard to find Russian ANYTHING here in Michigan, but I have a big ass Russian Cookbook.


How is it hard menu to cook?

I personally don't care much about russian cuisines because its everyday food here and I have grown sick of it. Borch, Plof etc are the type of food offered in kindergartends and grade schools. Pelmeni are common student food, cheap and effective (buy frozen, throw on pan and voila). And I am eating some Jarkoe right now.


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Re: Russian Food? [Re: Simms]
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Simms said:
limestoneman said:
Anyone else a fan of Russian Cuisine? Borscht, Pirogi, Jarkoe, Zur Balish? It's a really hard menu to cook, but the results, if done correctly are AMAZING. I can't cook well enough yet, but someday, when I can afford all the ingredients and have the time, will cook up such a meal...
Russian food just has such powerful flavor, color, robust texture. If only I could speak Russian I'd go for a visit. It's really hard to find Russian ANYTHING here in Michigan, but I have a big ass Russian Cookbook.


How is it hard menu to cook?

I personally don't care much about russian cuisines because its everyday food here and I have grown sick of it. Borch, Plof etc are the type of food offered in kindergartends and grade schools. Pelmeni are common student food, cheap and effective (buy frozen, throw on pan and voila). And I am eating some Jarkoe right now.


It's hard to cook because I suck at cooking, and I have a gourmet-level cookbook. I rarely get to eat Russian food, so it's quite a treat. I don't care if borscht is fed to kindergardeners, I eat it too.

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: limestoneman]
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Yea I eat it too, it is good when you don't get it every day. Did not mean to sound harsh.


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Re: Russian Food? [Re: limestoneman]
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I made piroshki yesterday, salmon, potato and chanterelles. I make those pretty often by this recipe. I only followed his recipe for filling once, then I was all like "what else can I put in this?"

I've got lots of tips on that one, if you find yourself needing them.


I've made borscht in the past that I liked a lot.

There's a thread on here where Geokills asked his nana how to make it for me, which is the recipe I used.

I used pork neckbones as the base for the stock, which I loved but the wife did not.

So in short, I love russian food.


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Re: Russian Food? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Who likes curd cheese patties?


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Re: Russian Food? [Re: Simms]
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Simms said:
Who likes curd cheese patties?


Welp, looks like I'm going to have to order some rennet and make some pot cheese to make these things. (syrniki)


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Re: Russian Food? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Kid_Orgo said:
Simms said:
Who likes curd cheese patties?


Welp, looks like I'm going to have to order some rennet and make some pot cheese to make these things. (syrniki)


Yup, those things I meant. I remember my mother made these often when I was a kid, quite good. I would name so many more foods, but appareantly it is hard time for me to translate all of the names from my mother language, which is not russian. And you americans use completely different kind of naming also...

Actually, that reminded me that I have noticed a recent trend amongst Americans that they tend to name everything very exoticly, with french or italian names, etc. If I compare English and American food shows, English people still use more simple food names that everyone could understand. Like the Americans want to be special. No offence, just a remark I find interesting.


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Edited by Simms (04/11/11 08:15 AM)

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: Simms]
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Dude, Americans are special  :imspecial:

omg wtf gotta run for cover now...

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: koraks]
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I think Americans like things from other countries because we have little cultural identification to begin with, seeing how we're a conglomerate of runaways and dreamers. Regardless. hot dogs and hamburgers get boring, and even those aren't really American. Come to think of it, we don't have much for culturally relevant foods pertaining to our country. Most of our food is just bastardization of German and English cooking. KFC is about as American as we get.

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: limestoneman]
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i used to live with 3 Ukrainians back in the day. the old lady made borscht quite a bit. that shit was AMAZING! :thumbup:
the other foods they made alot seemed rather strange, and i wouldnt even try most of them.

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: limestoneman]
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Yeah, but if you look at that way, doesn't every country have no cuisine, or a melting pot of different ones? When you get down to it, you'd be left with maybe five 'original' cuisines worldwide, and if you'd analyze those, then you'd probably find they were the result of merger and diffusion of more localized specialties as well.

There's an interesting thing in there as well: cuisines are not static. Like language and most cultural aspects, they are subject to a process of evolution. Interesting, the codification of recipes and the documentation of cuisines (what is part of it, and what not?) could make our conceptions of a particular cuisine more static, since we have a fixed reference to go back to. I've always wondered how this sort of 'pinning down' works out in the end.

In any case, since a cuisine is essentially (and often literally) a melting pot of various influences, I think the Americans could and should celebrate their cuisine as well, being a melting pot of several European, South American and Asian influences. Celebrate the birth of the American cuisine!

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: koraks]
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I also like Russian cooking. String beans,chessee,mixed in tomatto sauce.Beet soup.Cold smoke salmon.

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: riptorn]
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National cuisines have born from local materials. Russian borch for example, is originally made from leftovers. During Katarina II, all the villages were poor (When royal family visited country, all the last chickens were gathered up, to show that everything is in order, everything is healthy. Of course, the royal family wanted to taste local cuisines also, so they killed the last chikcen.), and leftovers had to be used. After WW I, they even ate humans (like almost any nation in great starvation), so I really really wonder if there are actually any human recipes originated from there. My grandmother has told me stories about strange meat factories and sausages where one could find human nails in it...

Jellied meat is actully a byproduct, since all the bits of meat, that would be quite boring to eat separately, and horns and hoofs have to be used (used to make gelatine and jelly), pigtails, pig ears etc etc. It is not purest meat, you know, therefore it is not actually a delicatessy, but however it is usually treated like one.

Same goes to lambs testicles and lamb eye soup with bits of brain -- leftover food from Mongolian steps.

Americans never felt extreme starvation, I assume (not real knower of American history here...). It is easy to assume your food would be a mix of spanish, british and local indian food. Tacos come to my mind, about which I recently red: Indians have eaten tacos for hundreds of years, original consistency was some local roots and leaves, fish, bugs. Mexicans have their own Spanish version of it, with spices and meat, called tortillas. Americans have tacos with ham, pork, etc.
I have not eaten an actual mexican tortilla, nor indian taco, so I do not really know, but just my 2 cents.

Here, in Easti-Europe, true russian food is believed to be salted herring, with some bread and butter. In my local area, sprats are really popular, which I personally love, be it salted raw (my favourite), fried in tomato sauce or just fried in oil. I believe you could actually make reaaly GREAT dishes out of salted sprats, and herring. I really really suggest salted sprats with honey, no lemon, just raw salted sprats, fried black bread, some green leaves etc, be creative and don't be afraid to use sweet stuff on salty things, because in my opinion, bits of sweetness can bring real taste forward sometimes. Heck, you could even make sprat ice cream, which is great also.

Edited by Simms (04/11/11 03:09 PM)

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: Simms]
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Simms said:
Americans never felt extreme starvation, I assume (not real knower of American history here...).


I'm no expert either, but I am aware of famine in certain groups of the population. Read e.g. The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck for an impression of one of the cases in the 1920s-1930s. Apparently, fried dough has stuck as a sort of a delicacy, while it was apparently considered the poorest of food back then. Obviously, a diet consisting of only (or mostly) fried dough would be detrimental to one's health in the long term.

In any case, it certainly makes sense to add socio-economic influences to the mix; many popular regional dishes are either ways to deal with leftovers, or polished-up versions of poor-man's food.

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: Simms]
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Simms said:
Kid_Orgo said:
Simms said:
Who likes curd cheese patties?


Welp, looks like I'm going to have to order some rennet and make some pot cheese to make these things. (syrniki)


Yup, those things I meant. I remember my mother made these often when I was a kid, quite good. I would name so many more foods, but appareantly it is hard time for me to translate all of the names from my mother language, which is not russian. And you americans use completely different kind of naming also...

Actually, that reminded me that I have noticed a recent trend amongst Americans that they tend to name everything very exoticly, with french or italian names, etc. If I compare English and American food shows, English people still use more simple food names that everyone could understand. Like the Americans want to be special. No offence, just a remark I find interesting.


I find that the English use weird, abstract and vaguely sexual names like "spotted dick" and "bangers and mash".

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Re: Russian Food? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
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MisterMuscaria said:
Simms said:
Kid_Orgo said:
Simms said:
Who likes curd cheese patties?


Welp, looks like I'm going to have to order some rennet and make some pot cheese to make these things. (syrniki)


Yup, those things I meant. I remember my mother made these often when I was a kid, quite good. I would name so many more foods, but appareantly it is hard time for me to translate all of the names from my mother language, which is not russian. And you americans use completely different kind of naming also...

Actually, that reminded me that I have noticed a recent trend amongst Americans that they tend to name everything very exoticly, with french or italian names, etc. If I compare English and American food shows, English people still use more simple food names that everyone could understand. Like the Americans want to be special. No offence, just a remark I find interesting.


I find that the English use weird, abstract and vaguely sexual names like "spotted dick" and "bangers and mash".


You should hear an Aussie talk.

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