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Edited by P-O (12/05/11 02:12 AM)

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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: P-O]
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You should jump on a Forum that's specific to the subject.  Id suggest any of the popular workout sites, they all field questions in the field.

The most important thing is a pre-cycle blood work-up.  If your doctors worth his weight in salt, he'll respect you for being honest with him.  Liver counts are essential.  This is what will kill you if you're not careful - HIGHLY unlikely, but still a real possibility for the irresponsible.  Once you know your liver is AOK, get a really good liver support supplement and plan out a thorough PCT (post cycle treatment).

I suggest starting out with something mild that doesn't require a SERM.  For legal gear, newbies LOVE H-Drol by CEL labs.  Very low sides, very respectable yields for the uninitiated.  You won't need any PCT for this stuff.  For something serious or questionable legality, look at Bodybuilding.com for advice on a proper SERM.

And a word of warning.  With roids, as with RCs and everything else prohibited, the legal stuff is very often more dangerous than what's illegal.

Best of Luck!


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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: P-O]
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first of all I would like to congratulate you for what you have already accomplished. I have been working out consistently for over 6 years now. For many of those years I was really into it, getting into all the different supplements and steriods too. I had the opposite problem as you I was really skinny and looking to bulk up.

Before taking the plunge(no pun intended) I would advise you too read up as much as possible about steriods. Not just the different types but also how each type affects the body. Be prepared for any of the side effects that may and usually will occur. Acne, gyno, bloat, dry joints, increased aggression, a shrinking of the testes,high blood pressure, inability to acheive and or maintain an erection, failure to orgasm all come with the territory.

In order to combat these side effects it is important to supplement pre, during and post cycle with certain products to help minimize any side effects. Most importantly it is vital to have a strong Post Cycle Therapy(PCT)PCT usually consists of some sort of anti-estrogen like arimidex or letrozole to block the rising surge in Estrogen which results from the cesation of whatever Anabolic Androgenic Steriod (AAS) is being used. Also a Lutenizing Hormone(LH) or Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) like clomid is used in order to restart sperm production which helps to increase any shrinkage of the testes.
Having a strong PCT while help to retain the gains you made on cycle. If you are prone to or already have gyno I would advise not doing a cycle at all or one must take nolvadex to block any estrogen from making it to the breast region.

But first things first, the best way to go into a cycle is by having a solid foundation to build upon. This starts with a solid diet that is built for your goals. My advise for you is although you're not new to working out it seems as though you have not tried non-hormonal supplements which can be effective as well. Don't get lost in all the hyped up bodybuilding products. The tried and true are creatine monohydrate, beta-alanine, protein powder, and perhaps a few others.

If you are dead set on doing a cycle I would advise your first cycle to be something that is relatively side effect free. If I were you I would look into Anavar(Oxandrolone) It is virtually side effect free. It actually can be prescribed to children and it doesnt even fuse growth plates which is why I wish I did this for my first cycle instead of test ( I was 19, Dumb I know) It has little to no estrogenic affects and best of all the gains are solid, not water weight. It makes you more stronger versus more bulked up, which makes the gains easier ro retain once you come off it. It is sold in pills so you dont have to inject it which is a plus.

Well I hoped this help if you have any more questions ask away. Oh a good site i would recommend is anabolicminds.com, they have lots of info abouts steriod cycles, supplements, etc...

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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: P-O]
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Weird..Literally about 2 miinutes ago I was just wondering why there weren't more steroid threads lol..But yeah I've done a few bulkers and a couple cutter cycles, but i've read up excessively on the subject. Side effects are inevitable without proper ancillaries of course, but you are still very likely to get some side effects even with ancillaries because even they produce their own sides.

But they aren't too bad. Some kill sex drive, but as long as you're taking some test that should be no problem. You won't get a ton of gains on HGH alone, it is better used for people who have hit their genetic maximum because it can increase muscle cells, allowing you more of them to grow. Steroids simply enlarge them, although some studies have shown that excessive enlargement of cells may also make them multiply.

Anyway, I've gotten gyno on a few cycles, the best way to AVOID gyno is to take a SERM (selective estrogen receptor modulator) ex: nolvadex. If you still happen to get gyno, SERMs will not get rid of it because the estrogen has already attached to the receptors, you'll need something stronger like letrozole, it kills about 98%+ estrogen of all types. But if you end up having to use letro, use it as little as you have to, too little estrogen is a bad, thing, (killing sex drive, achy joints, lethargy).

About hair loss..you can take prescription hair loss meds to help counter it, like proscar, or you can take a DHT blocker, built up DHT is the cause of hair loss when it comes to steroids, something like Proviron helps with that. Avoid taking proscar though if you decide to take trenbolone or deca durabolin, it only makes the hair loss worse. You can use nioxil shampoo to help with it instead.

There are other sides to look out for though, like increased cholesterol, you can easily do a search and find some remedies for that though, but it decreases when you go off cycle.

I never lost anymore than about 80% of gains, because when you finish up a cycle, you don't just stop, that causes a rebound in estrogen and cortisol, both muscle killing hormones. So you need to take something for PCT (post cycle therapy). There are different regimens for PCT, the most common being to just take some nolvadex for around half the total of on cycle time. So an 8 week cycle generally requires at least a 4 week PCT time. You can also take small doses of clenbuterol during PCT, since it kills cortisol. Also, you can use HCG on cycle to stop testicle shrinkage, I used 200 iu every other day, subcutaneously with an insulin needle and noticed no shrinkage, which significantly helps your PCT go way smoother.

And never go back on cycle before waiting the total time you spent on cycle and on PCT. There is a way to avoid the majority of side effects while stil gaining a lot from a cycle, and that is to do short cycles, with higher doses, steroid sides have more to do with long term use, rather than the dose. So doing a 2 or 3 week cycle is very beneficial if you up the dose a little bit. Your testes won't shut down natural test until the 2 week mark, so if you you take a 2 week cycle, you don't really NEED a PCT, but some people still go with it anyway for safety measures. I've done a 2 weeker and gained 9 pounds of muscle from it, with no PCT, and had no rebound effects, and virtually no loss in muscle.

And about my gains, I don't remember what kind of gains I made with my other cycles, but with my first cycle, I gained a little over 30 pounds of muscle in a little over 8 weeks. I was using testosterone propionate and trenbolone acetate. Another thing to note is, to use short acting esters (propionate,acetate, suspension,) rather than long ones, (enanthate,cypionate). The reason is, the shorter acting it is, the faster it'll be out of your system, so if you encounter side effects, they will dissipate faster, while with longer ones, you'll have to just wait it out.

A good beginner cycle would definitely just be to use testosterone propionate, you can add trenbolone acetate if you want, but it's sides are harsher, but tren is hands down the best roid out there in my opinion. And if you want to take HGH, you might as well go with IGF-1 instead, HGH metabolizes into IGF-1 so if you take that instead you'll get better gains without waiting as long.

I'm sure I'm missing some stuff though so if you have some questions just ask.


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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: shroom-jitsu]
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Good info, but you need PCT for anything that suppresses natural testosterone. Even weak steroids like anavar will require a PCT.


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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: P-O]
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PostiveOutlook said:
They call me a pussy for not wanting to try it for the last year, but now im wondering if i should...


They say i should stop being a pussy and forget about the side effects. 
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hahahahahaha! HAHAHAHA! HAAAAAH!!!!!!!! HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


wow, no offense, but you friends are morons. Do you know that steroids are for the biggest pussies out there? They are for people who want to be big but are to lazy to commit to disciplined diet, training like a warrior, and knowing that progress takes time, commitment, and ass loads of hard work. Your friends are not being too friendly if they peer pressure you to do HGH or steroids.

As for the side effects. Its your heart. Its your health. If you want to take it for granted and become a moron meat head then go for it.:syringe::syringe::syringe:

Or you could strap down and lift like a real man and actually earn your muscles through months and years of blood, sweat and steel. If you go natural the benifits will be more profound. You will have accomplished something very great. Without drugs!:thumbup::smile:

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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: XUL]
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Did you know that the majority of people on steroids are more informed about diet and nutrition and work as hard and harder as people who don't take them?

I've never known a steroid user that was lazy. They bust their asses way harder than anyone else in the gym.


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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: Eminence]
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frylock91 said:
Did you know that the majority of people on steroids are more informed about diet and nutrition and work as hard and harder as people who don't take them?

I've never known a steroid user that was lazy. They bust their asses way harder than anyone else in the gym.


Maybe they are informed. Still. There is a reason why roiders dont compete in the olympics.

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Yeah cuz they're considered cheaters..but still, I'm positive that there have been some in the olympics that have used without getting caught. Just cuz you use roids doesn't make you a pussy. Yeah it makes you impatient, but not a pussy.


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Re: Steroids and HGH [Re: Eminence]
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frylock91 said:
Yeah cuz they're considered cheaters..but still, I'm positive that there have been some in the olympics that have used without getting caught. Just cuz you use roids doesn't make you a pussy. Yeah it makes you impatient, but not a pussy.



I agree with that.

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