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steroids > starting my first cycle
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Im thinking of doing my first cycle of steroids.

My friends have been using it for years, and have got amazing results...


About me: I have been working out for 5 years now, and im 27 years old.  195 pounds.  deff got some good muscle already,  but feel like im not making much process this year.  My eating habits are excellent aswell...

i was gonna buy some "prohormones" online , but if i have access to the real deal i might as well get em.  they prob easier on the liver then taking large doses of prohormones ...


im thinking of just injecting 500 mg of test per week, for 12 weeks.  Then using nolvadex for a month for PCT.  My buddy says i should take a oral to, but im not sure i wanna take too much my first cycle.


questions:

does my cycle sound safe for a first timer?  should i add a oral (anavair)?

will nolvadex be enough for a PCT?  what else should i take?

My friend said test+rigs+pct+oral will cost almost $1000.  does this not sound like hes trying to pocket $$$, or is a grand a normal price?

If i try ordering from oversea's, is this risky for me?

will nizoral shampoo really safe guard any hair loss?

what kind or results can i expect?

will i really lose 25% of my gains (weight + strengeth)?



Looking for people with experience... not "dont do it bro, they shrink ur nads"....


Thanks

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: P-O] * 1
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i dont want to get into this too much because i can go on about it all day, so all ill say is dont do it. its a waste of time and money. You can get the same results if not better without them. Your not seeing any progress lately because your either doing something wrong or not switchin up your routines. If you do the same stuff everytime your body gets used to it and u get no results. I went from 150 lbs to 230 in 10 months just following a routine, and the only supplements i took was protein shakes. As long as you work out regularly and drink the shakes along with healthy meals, you can build up staggering muscle in short periods of time. no need for steroids man. theres too many side effects, and you'll lose all results once you stop taking them

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Umeltin] * 1
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No way you gained 80 pounds of muscle in 10 months...

I don't think its for everybody, I took a low dose to try it once, I took 250mg of test c every 5 days(ended up being 10 weeks) and clomid for pct. I did have good gains, about 8 pounds by the end of the cycle. I slacked on my diet at the end however, and I lost 5 of those pounds. I was also getting mood swings, but that depends on your personality imo, my older brother for example, took a 250 test and 200 deca cycle with no pct and he said he felt normal..


I would say try it out if your interested, make sure you get regular checkups and bloodwork done though just to be on the safe side. Just be sure you are dedicated to your diet and workout routine! The more muscle you have the more fuel you need !


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Edited by Zardos (12/05/11 02:48 AM)

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Zardos]
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I can get you the numbers from my text book later..

Anyways..


After you stop taking the roids you will lose it all man.


I used the mild creatine and even when you stop using that you will lose lots of your power and strength.

When I work out naturally my body is far more stable. For example..

-Lets say I workout on creatine and then take a 8 week break and halt creatine intake. When I go back to the weight room I will end up going back into the weigh room weak as hell.

My experience: Deadlift while on creatine - 225. Deadlift after halting creatine - 115.

And that is no joke. That is my true life experience. It may be different for some people but that is what happened to me.

-Lets say I workout naturally and halt working out for 8 weeks. When I go back to the weight room I will be weaker but I will still have decent strength.

My experience: Deadlift naturally - 270. Deadlift after 8 week break - 225.


You will probably have similar but more profound experiences with the halting of roids.


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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: XUL]
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Makes your balls shrink is the word, not worth it, creatine works and is safe.

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Makes your balls shrink is the word, not worth it, creatine works and is safe.



What evidence do you have to show when you say its safe?


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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: XUL] * 1
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masterdebator... you gained 80 pounds of muscle mass in 10 months? i don't mean to push your buttons bro, but that defies human biology... i used to strength train and if i gained 12 pounds of muscle in a year i'd be lucky... i was always slim built, even today at 41... no way...

Zardos... you probably realize the 8 pounds you gained weren't muscle, right? five pounds of muscle mass doesn't disappear form diet change unless you were cut and starving yourself...

PostiveOutlook... i'm not going to tell you it's going to shrink your nads even though i know it does... :smile: no, seriously... i never used them, but i know tons who did and i personally wouldn't use them... just about all of them realized losses of gains they made like XUL said... not only that, some of the gains didn't seem like muscle to me... and some didn't realize any real gains... knowing what i know now, i would investigate herbs that boost or vitamins/minerals/ amino acids that are used/needed for hormone production... i'm sure there's information on it... give your body what it needs to produce/raise levels naturally... your results have stalled... it's not unusual to Plateau... did you try mixing up your routine? try taking a week off... how many reps are reaching last set... there are books on the subject... at least there were when i was training, i'm sure they've come up with new strategies...

i've known vegan none steroid users who were kick ass... i personally think steroids are as much mental as they are physical if you ask me... and to lose these gains when you stop, and you should stop, blows my mind really...

try natural... you give your body the right tools and you'll be amazed at what it can do...

good luck...

Kensho :psychsplit:

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: cateyes]
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Quote:
you probably realize the 8 pounds you gained weren't muscle, right?


Indeed. Usually when I strength train after a long period of not strength training I have mad gains. Last time I did it I went from 185-195 in a matter of weeks. And of course that is not all muscle at all. It was fat and muscle.

Its because during strength training I get so hungry. I litteraly eat like 6 times or more a day.


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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: XUL]
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Thanks for all the replys bros!


I have been very anti-steroid for a long time.  And the fear of losing my hair and other side effects made me want to avoid them.


Latley Ive just been getting fustratrated with the gains my friend is getting in size and strength from the steroids.  And after he offered me a cycle i started to change my mind.


But i think u guys are right... he will lose most his gains after his cycle.  and hes beating up his liver like a mofo right now  (steroids + daily percs + lots of hard drinking ).


I think gonna look into a test booster instead of injecting pure test.  They seem more safer, and i dont gotta PCT or worry about bitch tits or losing my hair :hi5:

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: P-O]
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PostiveOutlook said:
Thanks for all the replys bros!


I have been very anti-steroid for a long time.  And the fear of losing my hair and other side effects made me want to avoid them.


Latley Ive just been getting fustratrated with the gains my friend is getting in size and strength from the steroids.  And after he offered me a cycle i started to change my mind.


But i think u guys are right... he will lose most his gains after his cycle.  and hes beating up his liver like a mofo right now  (steroids + daily percs + lots of hard drinking ).


I think gonna look into a test booster instead of injecting pure test.  They seem more safer, and i dont gotta PCT or worry about bitch tits or losing my hair :hi5:



The only thing I need is protein powder. The kind without creatine in it, I tell ya hwhat.


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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: P-O]
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If you want to try steroids try a very mild cycle and see how you respond in the way of gains and maintaining the gains.


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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Zardos]
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Zardos said:
No way you gained 80 pounds of muscle in 10 months...

I don't think its for everybody, I took a low dose to try it once, I took 250mg of test c every 5 days(ended up being 10 weeks) and clomid for pct. I did have good gains, about 8 pounds by the end of the cycle. I slacked on my diet at the end however, and I lost 5 of those pounds. I was also getting mood swings, but that depends on your personality imo, my older brother for example, took a 250 test and 200 deca cycle with no pct and he said he felt normal..


I would say try it out if your interested, make sure you get regular checkups and bloodwork done though just to be on the safe side. Just be sure you are dedicated to your diet and workout routine! The more muscle you have the more fuel you need !




if you dont believe me ill let you look at my facebook page and let you see for yourself.i look like a complete different person. Some people i havent seen in a while dont recognize me

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: cateyes]
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cateyes said:
masterdebator... you gained 80 pounds of muscle mass in 10 months? i don't mean to push your buttons bro, but that defies human biology... i used to strength train and if i gained 12 pounds of muscle in a year i'd be lucky... i was always slim built, even today at 41... no way...

Zardos... you probably realize the 8 pounds you gained weren't muscle, right? five pounds of muscle mass doesn't disappear form diet change unless you were cut and starving yourself...

PostiveOutlook... i'm not going to tell you it's going to shrink your nads even though i know it does... :smile: no, seriously... i never used them, but i know tons who did and i personally wouldn't use them... just about all of them realized losses of gains they made like XUL said... not only that, some of the gains didn't seem like muscle to me... and some didn't realize any real gains... knowing what i know now, i would investigate herbs that boost or vitamins/minerals/ amino acids that are used/needed for hormone production... i'm sure there's information on it... give your body what it needs to produce/raise levels naturally... your results have stalled... it's not unusual to Plateau... did you try mixing up your routine? try taking a week off... how many reps are reaching last set... there are books on the subject... at least there were when i was training, i'm sure they've come up with new strategies...

i've known vegan none steroid users who were kick ass... i personally think steroids are as much mental as they are physical if you ask me... and to lose these gains when you stop, and you should stop, blows my mind really...

try natural... you give your body the right tools and you'll be amazed at what it can do...

good luck...


Also. yeah i shoulda added this in... Im not saying 80 lbs "muscle mass".. i was just working out with a good diet drinking protein shakes and gained 80 lbs total. im sure not all was muscle mass. but im far from fat. hell im sure i have a low bmi. ever since i gained that weight i got made stretch marks going from my armpit to my chest, all down my forearms, and on my thighs. trust me dude. anyone that doesnt believe me send me a pm and ill give you my real name to look me up on facebook and accept a friend request. i used to be skinny as hell. im talkin 5' 10" 150lb. i started a tuna,milk, salad, diet with protein shakes and got up to 230. i have the pics to prove it. i stopped working out, stopped drinking the shakes and diet and now im back down to a healthy 200. I actually feel like i can move a bit quicker with out the extra weight, and since my arms arent as stocky they feel longer.lol?
Kensho :psychsplit:


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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Umeltin]
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above is me at 215-230.below is at 150lb. proper dieting and workout routine.i set my goal at 80lbs and made it.

that was me on the left at 150

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
My experience: Deadlift while on creatine - 225. Deadlift after halting creatine - 115.


I'm sorry but that statement seems like complete bullshit to me. Are you really trying to say the sole reason you lost 110 pounds off of your deadlift was cycling off creatine alone? Sure, you will lose a bit of water weight and a little bit of strength, but no way am I buying you lost that much. 

When I first started lifting at 135 pounds deadlifting 115 would be no problem at all. Even on strong lifts you start off at 95 pounds on the deadlift.

Sorry if I'm coming off kind of dickish, buy your statements about creatine have really astounded me. I feel terrible for you if that is really your experience with it.

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Umeltin]
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And its not all about how much you can bench either. What got me started was when i went to prison they didnt have free weights because of the security level. So all i did was pushups,pullups,burpees,and dips. I got friends that think theyre tough shit because they do a few hundred pushups threw out the day, thats nothing. when i was locked up i did nothing but work out. id do sets of 50 threw out the day, im sure you wouldnt believe me if i told you how many pushups,pullups,dip,burpees we do threw out the day, 3x a week. i got out and got me a gym membership,and a weight bench and kept working out. And i was finally able to get off the tuna/milk diet and just get some damn protein powder since i wasnt in prison anymore.lol. the mix of getting to use free weights and using protein powder for me just came together perfectly. I workout until i cant lift anymore,and the shakes help build up and repair your muscles faster, and increase size/strength. I was to the point i would have dreams about lifting weights because my body starts to crave the exercise. Anyone thats really into it knows what im talking about.

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Othyem]
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Othyem said:

XUL said:
My experience: Deadlift while on creatine - 225. Deadlift after halting creatine - 115.


I'm sorry but that statement seems like complete bullshit to me. Are you really trying to say the sole reason you lost 110 pounds off of your deadlift was cycling off creatine alone? Sure, you will lose a bit of water weight and a little bit of strength, but no way am I buying you lost that much. 

When I first started lifting at 135 pounds deadlifting 115 would be no problem at all. Even on strong lifts you start off at 95 pounds on the deadlift.

Sorry if I'm coming off kind of dickish, buy your statements about creatine have really astounded me. I feel terrible for you if that is really your experience with it.


yeah that definitely doesnt sound right. Maybe he stopped the creatine and didnt work out for a very long time? that could be it

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Umeltin] * 1
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Yeah you gained 80 pounds, no way it was all muscle, looks like you put on a bunch of body fat too.

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Othyem]
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I've packed on bunch of mass too recently, but yeah a lot of it was fat.

Edited by Othyem (12/06/11 01:54 AM)

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Re: steroids > starting my first cycle [Re: Othyem]
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lol. that i definitely did. i never said 80lbs muscle mass. someone else in this thread twisted my words up. read my origianl post. i just said i went from 150-230 in 10 months. and i posted the pics to prove it. And one of those pics is 6months after i stopped lifting so i was kinda chubby, its the pic of me with the hat on. either way, my goal was to get big, i was extremely skinny. i work out 3x a week and gained my 80 lbs. thats what mattered to me. i went from a little guy to a big guy in less than a year. im bigger than all of my friends that work out too.lol

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