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in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang
#14038177 - 02/27/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so i guess same thang could be applied to how long a piece of hair is
infinitely long and thangs
same thang wit pubic hair
same thang wit prolly dick size
so ppl that do dick sizing contests and thangs are prolly doin' them thangs in vain cuz everyones dick is infinitely long. mathematically.
right?
cuz if u put a dick up in a microscope, the edges and thangs u would have to measure out the edges and thangs and then those edges would have grooves and thangs and those grooves would have more edges and grooves and it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on!
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14040222 - 02/28/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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infinitely long
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cuz if u put a dick up in a microscope, the edges and thangs u would have to measure out the edges and thangs and then those edges would have grooves and thangs and those grooves would have more edges and grooves and it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on!
Infinite series can (and often do) have finite limits. Just because some"thang" can be measured on and on and on does not mean that its overall length goes on and on and on.
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I AM SWIM
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: Seuss]
#14040431 - 02/28/11 05:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"doin' thangs" is a thang and doin' thangs is eternal
but i don't think "doin' thangs" can be measured it can only be observed
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14040443 - 02/28/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"doin' strangs"
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DieCommie

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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14040798 - 02/28/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so ppl that do dick sizing contests and thangs are prolly doin' them thangs in vain cuz everyones dick is infinitely long. mathematically.
right?
No, a dick is a finite size. Saying mathematically doesnt really change that.
But I know what you are getting at. Here is the famous paper; http://www.cs.unm.edu/~joel/cs152-python/HowLongIsTheCoastOfBritain-Mandelbrot.pdf
If things like strings, hair and coastlines really were fractals then it might be right. But they are not, they only approximate fractals. In the end strings and coastlines are made of atoms which occupy regions and points meaning that you cannot infinity zoom in to get more length.
(What Seuss says is right, and is often a point of confusion for people who haven't studied infinite series. But I dont believe this is a case of an infinite series because that which we are measuring does not scale down infinitely.)
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: DieCommie]
#14041172 - 02/28/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: "doin' strangs"

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DieCommie said:
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so ppl that do dick sizing contests and thangs are prolly doin' them thangs in vain cuz everyones dick is infinitely long. mathematically.
right?
No, a dick is a finite size. Saying mathematically doesnt really change that.
But I know what you are getting at. Here is the famous paper; http://www.cs.unm.edu/~joel/cs152-python/HowLongIsTheCoastOfBritain-Mandelbrot.pdf
If things like strings, hair and coastlines really were fractals then it might be right. But they are not, they only approximate fractals. In the end strings and coastlines are made of atoms which occupy regions and points meaning that you cannot infinity zoom in to get more length.
(What Seuss says is right, and is often a point of confusion for people who haven't studied infinite series. But I dont believe this is a case of an infinite series because that which we are measuring does not scale down infinitely.)
Thanks for the summation and link!
In the end strings and coastlines are made of atoms which occupy regions and points meaning that you cannot infinity zoom in to get more length.
But what about the orbiting electrons? Wouldn't that add to the change or 'shape' of the atom in a sense? Even if it's an incredibly minuscule amount of change?
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14042196 - 02/28/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Since the wavefunctions of the electrons in your dick are nonzero in many parts of the universe arbitrarily far from your dick, you might think that it's impossible to determine a "size" of your dick based on the location of its components. However, this is not a useful way of thinking about size, nor is it the conventional way of thinking about it. We therefore, define size to be "the length of the region where the probability of finding dick components is above 99%", or some other non-zero probability. You'll find that even if you choose 10%, the size of your dick will only be infinitesimally longer than for 99%, since the probability of finding a dick-electron outside what you conventionally think of as your dick drops so steeply. In fact, the probability of finding a dick-electron far enough from your dick to give you even one inch of length is so small that no dick-electrons have probably ever ventured this far out of anyone's dick in the history of the universe. And if one did, the time spent out-of-dick would be extremely small.
The coastline problem is somewhat different since it deals with a path in 2-dimensional space rather than a length in one dimension. There are no nooks and crannies to contour around in 1 dimension.
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: ChuangTzu]
#14043676 - 02/28/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: Since the wavefunctions of the electrons in your dick are nonzero in many parts of the universe arbitrarily far from your dick, you might think that it's impossible to determine a "size" of your dick based on the location of its components. However, this is not a useful way of thinking about size, nor is it the conventional way of thinking about it. We therefore, define size to be "the length of the region where the probability of finding dick components is above 99%", or some other non-zero probability. You'll find that even if you choose 10%, the size of your dick will only be infinitesimally longer than for 99%, since the probability of finding a dick-electron outside what you conventionally think of as your dick drops so steeply. In fact, the probability of finding a dick-electron far enough from your dick to give you even one inch of length is so small that no dick-electrons have probably ever ventured this far out of anyone's dick in the history of the universe. And if one did, the time spent out-of-dick would be extremely small.
The coastline problem is somewhat different since it deals with a path in 2-dimensional space rather than a length in one dimension. There are no nooks and crannies to contour around in 1 dimension.
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: snoot]
#14043811 - 02/28/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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snoot said: my dick is made of photons
You do realize that would make your dick massless, right?
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: Seuss]
#14043961 - 02/28/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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infinitely long
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cuz if u put a dick up in a microscope, the edges and thangs u would have to measure out the edges and thangs and then those edges would have grooves and thangs and those grooves would have more edges and grooves and it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on!
Infinite series can (and often do) have finite limits. Just because some"thang" can be measured on and on and on does not mean that its overall length goes on and on and on.
Yep, this is the key point people don't get. The difference between percision and accuracy is important here too. Just cause you can't say the percise length of the string does not mean you can't say it is less than 10 meters or is 3.0 meters within the percision implied by the notation (+/- 1/2 m)
We had this discussion in the philosophy forum a few months back. Some guy ended up getting all pissed off.. His argument was essentially that because the length was undefined that it must by infinite- silly.
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: ChuangTzu]
#14044529 - 02/28/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: Since the wavefunctions of the electrons in your dick are nonzero in many parts of the universe arbitrarily far from your dick, you might think that it's impossible to determine a "size" of your dick based on the location of its components. However, this is not a useful way of thinking about size, nor is it the conventional way of thinking about it. We therefore, define size to be "the length of the region where the probability of finding dick components is above 99%", or some other non-zero probability. You'll find that even if you choose 10%, the size of your dick will only be infinitesimally longer than for 99%, since the probability of finding a dick-electron outside what you conventionally think of as your dick drops so steeply. In fact, the probability of finding a dick-electron far enough from your dick to give you even one inch of length is so small that no dick-electrons have probably ever ventured this far out of anyone's dick in the history of the universe. And if one did, the time spent out-of-dick would be extremely small.
The coastline problem is somewhat different since it deals with a path in 2-dimensional space rather than a length in one dimension. There are no nooks and crannies to contour around in 1 dimension.

i took too much man, took to much too much dick-electron
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14045231 - 02/28/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know about y'all, but my dick is as big as a planck.
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Re: in regards to the 'how long is a piece of string' thang [Re: ToTheSummit]
#14045260 - 02/28/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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