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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said:
Who died and made you director of cloning research?

ps - they are working on it, many are.


Which brings us full circle. How is cloning a mammoth helping this world??
Whats done is done in my opinion. Mammoths are no longer here. To bring it back
would be so unnatural. So whats next then We are going to start cloning humans??

Cloning parts of the body however to maintain life is reasonable and I can
welcome that.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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you're basically saying that all human efforts should be for an altruistic service.

why? it's their money.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
Flop Johnson said:
Who died and made you director of cloning research?

ps - they are working on it, many are.


Which brings us full circle. How is cloning a mammoth helping this world??
Whats done is done in my opinion. Mammoths are no longer here. To bring it back
would be so unnatural. So whats next then We are going to start cloning humans??

Cloning parts of the body however to maintain life is reasonable and I can
welcome that.


:facepalm:

How can anything we do as living biological organisms be unatural?


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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Mind Transcribing said:
DeadHearts said:
Flop Johnson said:
Who died and made you director of cloning research?

ps - they are working on it, many are.


Which brings us full circle. How is cloning a mammoth helping this world??
Whats done is done in my opinion. Mammoths are no longer here. To bring it back
would be so unnatural. So whats next then We are going to start cloning humans??

Cloning parts of the body however to maintain life is reasonable and I can
welcome that.


:facepalm:

How can anything we do as living biological organisms be unatural?


Come again please?? Make sense next time.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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We have already produced artificial life forms, entirely independent from any natural evolution. I imagine with the mammoth the gain is in improving techniques that can be applied on unrelated endeavors, and learning more about or biological history in the process.


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wat man rly

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Flop Johnson said:
you're basically saying that all human efforts should be for an altruistic service.

why? it's their money.


also why do you insist that this is a waste of time? it would answer a great many questions.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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Flop Johnson said:
Flop Johnson said:
you're basically saying that all human efforts should be for an altruistic service.

why? it's their money.


also why do you insist that this is a waste of time? it would answer a great many questions.


Because we have more important things to worry about in this day and age.
This world is on the verge of collapse economically. One of many reasons.

blujay said:
We have already produced artificial life forms, entirely independent from any natural evolution. I imagine with the mammoth the gain is in improving techniques that can be applied on unrelated endeavors, and learning more about or biological history in the process.


Thats fine but you can not convince me that resurrecting a mammoth is the only
way of conducting such research.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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:lolsy:

Your dichotomy of natural and unnatural is a sad attempt to rationalize anything you are afraid of as not being "right". How can anything we do be unnatural?

Is flight unnatural to humans? What about medical science? What about the atomic bomb and nuclear fission? Where do you draw the line? Why do you disbelieve reality? Do you really believe for a second that humans have the capability to step outside reality and act "unnaturally"? Answer this honestly Deadhearts.

How is it possible for the universe (which we are made of and therefore a part of) to unfold "unnaturally"?


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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Mind Transcribing said:
:lolsy:

Your dichotomy of natural and unnatural is a sad attempt to rationalize anything you are afraid of as not being "right". How can anything we do be unnatural?

Is flight unnatural to humans? What about medical science? What about the atomic bomb and nuclear fission? Where do you draw the line? Why do you disbelieve reality? Do you really believe for a second that humans have the capability to step outside reality and act "unnaturally"? Answer this honestly Deadhearts.

How is it possible for the universe (which we are made of and therefore a part of) to unfold "unnaturally"?


Thats fine. Touche.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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With current technologies it is an uncommon opportunity. I don't see any reason why DNA amplification and purification techniques wouldn't make great advances in the future, however.


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
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Not to mention cloning an extinct species is just fucking cool.

I suppose we should not have landed on the moon since its just a big useless rock, right DeadHearts?

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said:
With current technologies it is an uncommon opportunity. I don't see any reason why DNA amplification and purification techniques wouldn't make great advances in the future, however.


Because DNA isn't typically fossilized. This isn't even technically a fossil, but the entire animal frozen under who knows what crazy amount of ice, unchanged, for all this time. We can't do this with anything not frozen and thereby well preserved (Jurrasic Park is fiction). We're not going to be having the tech to fill in missing DNA gaps for a long time yet.


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wat man rly

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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As is the case with the majority of science, this goes well beyond the issue of: "gee, lets clone an extinct mammoth".

In the process of even attempting something like this, new information will be gained that will be applicable to a number of areas of cloning and genetic adaptation/mutation.

They may find information applicable to the spread of antibiotic resistance, cloning livers, inherited genetic disorders etc.

It's much more than simply cloning for the sake of cloning :facepalm:


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
It's much more than simply cloning for the sake of cloning :facepalm:


And even if it was, who's to say that shouldn't be allowed?

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