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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said:
Since when has science actually been focused on the right things? I agree with you. It would be absolutely fascinating to me if they could pull this off. Ethics and morals be damned, it's really cool.


I know, but we need to start somewhere. Hell most of the new technology that could
really help us in put into military operations. Gotta keep us safe from the terrorists.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Actually, a lot of that technology comes from military operations. Gps and the internet come to mind.


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
Patlal said:
Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?


Bad.


It'll be ugly when the thing's born without a heart or has some weird genetic fuckup associated with the cloning process, otherwise it is at worst a waste of money in the name of scientific curiosity. It's not like they're going to be able to adapt and integrate to the local fauna. They might not even be able to reproduce.

People with your baseless fear are why Parkinson's victims still have to go paralyzed.


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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blujay said:
DeadHearts said:
Patlal said:
Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?


Bad.


It'll be ugly when the thing's born without a heart or has some weird genetic fuckup associated with the cloning process, otherwise it is at worst a waste of money in the name of scientific curiosity. It's not like they're going to be able to adapt and integrate to the local fauna. They might not even be able to reproduce.

People with your baseless fear are why Parkinson's victims still have to go paralyzed.


My baseless fear?

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
legallyhomeless said:
how is it counter productive to take millions of year old dna to create somthing that we ca actually study....living!

The only problem i see is it would not have the same diet at before which might cause some problems


Why not put that energy into things we need now. Like the hundreds of species
that are becoming extinct in recent times?? Im sure this program is not run
by charity.

How about instead of putting our resources into something like this we put
them to use for sustainable energy??


If we can resurrect a 12,000 year old dead creature than all of the modern ones can die off and we can just bring them back whenever we want :lolsy:


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
Fucking zoos :facepalm:

Yup lets resurrect some extinct animals so we can keep them locked
up in a fucking zoo.

What a great life it would be for them.


So alternatively we should release an extinct predator into the wild with no control over it's breeding?

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said:
DeadHearts said:
Fucking zoos :facepalm:

Yup lets resurrect some extinct animals so we can keep them locked
up in a fucking zoo.

What a great life it would be for them.


So alternatively we should release an extinct predator into the wild with no control over it's breeding?


Or how about we dont fuck around with it at all :shrug:

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Ayyy what's the worst that can happen?


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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I think they are overestimating thier prowess in this endevour.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/18/can-woolly-mammoth-be-cloned-from-frozen-dna/

"The baby would not have any genetic relation to the surrogate mother that actually gives birth to it."

I don't see how that works . .


Wouldn't it be half mammoth and half elephant?

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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I don't see much risk associated with cloning a mammoth.

Very few extinct creatures still have viable DNA samples frozen in ice.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
blujay said:
DeadHearts said:
Patlal said:
Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?


Bad.


It'll be ugly when the thing's born without a heart or has some weird genetic fuckup associated with the cloning process, otherwise it is at worst a waste of money in the name of scientific curiosity. It's not like they're going to be able to adapt and integrate to the local fauna. They might not even be able to reproduce.

People with your baseless fear are why Parkinson's victims still have to go paralyzed.


My baseless fear?


What negative impacts can you name specifically that will come to pass as a result of this form of research?

Each one will be a speculative danger either based in science fiction or irrelevant in a controlled, well-funded scientific setting.

The Human Genome project and the abilities it unlocked pose a much greater risk than this.

You should be worried luke-warm about Craig Venter and his colleagues who have access to advanced genetic re-sequencers, as they are actively cutting apart small organisms gene by gene and recombobulating them to create their own tailored life forms. There is always the danger you create something capable of destroying an ecosystem by gobbling away at it, create something that can infect humans, (not so much of a virus, but bacterial anyway- we're not able to resequence viruses yet, from our knowledge anyway)- etc. Synthetic Genomics is a powerful tool, and a field that should be handled by the best and brightest, well funded independent researchers- and that's exactly who they've got on the job.

You don't even know what level of research we're capable of, what's been done as is being done under the public eye, or what type of advancements those fields might bring forth, and yet you'd burn down the laboratory. Would you go back to lancing boils, applying poultice of goat's dung, and bloodletting? No? Then I suggest you step aside and let those who dedicated their lives to the improvement of our race in bold and innovative ways continue to learn more about the mechanics of our universe.

Besides, we need to get better at cloning if we're going to clone you a new copy of that liver you drink out so somebody doesn't have to die for your transplants.


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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Ugh. Yes that rasies real concerns as well. I dont have a fear of anything by the way.
All Im saying is that its a waste of resources and money when we could be doing better
things. Why not put thos efforts into maintaining what life we have left.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said:
I don't see much risk associated with cloning a mammoth.

Very few extinct creatures still have viable DNA samples frozen in ice.


Precisely, it's an extremely rare opportunity. If it was an animal with a shorter life span and much smaller, if they somehow improved their cloning technique such that it's a 100% mammoth (it's my understanding they'll not be able to reproduce 100% mammoth with this method, technically using several generations and controlled fertilization to produce a near-mammoth hybrid); then i might be concerned. I could see an ancient rodent getting loose being pretty bad.

But as it stands, for the most part, the opposition is a subconscious root in judeo-christan ideology, and how any research that blatantly breaks it's foolish creation story must be dangerous. That's because it is, to the people holding the reigns on those congregations.


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
Why not put thos efforts into maintaining what life we have left.


blujay said:
Besides, we need to get better at cloning if we're going to clone you a new copy of that liver you drink out so somebody doesn't have to die for your transplants.


I think that demonstrates why cloning technology is vital endeavor.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Cloning can be used to maintain our lives.


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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blujay said:
Precisely, it's an extremely rare opportunity. If it was an animal with a shorter life span and much smaller, if they somehow improved their cloning technique such that it's a 100% mammoth (it's my understanding they'll not be able to reproduce 100% mammoth with this method, technically using several generations and controlled fertilization to produce a near-mammoth hybrid); then i might be concerned. I could see an ancient rodent getting loose being pretty bad.

But as it stands, for the most part, the opposition is a subconscious root in judeo-christan ideology, and how any research that blatantly breaks it's foolish creation story must be dangerous. That's because it is, to the people holding the reigns on those congregations.


not to mention that wooly mammoths lived well within the lifetime of humans, so we have a more than reasonable
idea of how the interaction is going to be.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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A new discovery is -almost- never a waste of resources. Especially something that ties into one of the most important fields being studied today.


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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said:
DeadHearts said:
Why not put thos efforts into maintaining what life we have left.


blujay said:
Besides, we need to get better at cloning if we're going to clone you a new copy of that liver you drink out so somebody doesn't have to die for your transplants.


I think that demonstrates why cloning technology is vital endeavor.


Then work on cloning a fucking liver. Not a god damn mammoth!

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Who died and made you director of cloning research?

ps - they are working on it, many are.

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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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Mind Transcribing said:
Cloning can be used to maintain our lives.


Mind Transcribing said:
Cloning can be used to maintain our lives.


Yep. People get hung up on the idea because they view cloning the whole organism which is very difficult anyway, and often likely to produce really gross results I'm sure even the scientists have to drink to forget, and not, say, a heart. Or a big blob of liver cells. Or a sheet of skin. Or a tank of blood cells.

Imagine if we could use genetic research to produce a machine that feeds and maintains a colony of marrow cells that pump out O+ at a continuous rate?


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