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Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth
#13805595 - 01/18/11 12:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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A team of scientists from Japan, Russia and the United States hopes to clone a mammoth, a symbol of Earth’s ice age that ended 12,000 years ago, according to a report in Japan’s Yomiuri Shimbun. The researchers say they hope to produce a baby mammoth within six years...
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/17/scientists-trying-to-clone-resurrect-extinct-mammoth/?hpt=T2
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13805643 - 01/18/11 12:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I first heard about this back when Clinton was president. They sure do take their time, don't they?
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I'll believe it when I ride on the mother fucker.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: 2Cents]
#13806596 - 01/18/11 08:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Patlal]
#13806607 - 01/18/11 08:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?
Bad.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Patlal]
#13806608 - 01/18/11 08:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?
Why would it be bad? Waste of money?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13806611 - 01/18/11 08:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bad.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DieCommie]
#13806621 - 01/18/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome. I have this fantasy that there will one day be a zoo filled with extinct creatures. Mammoths, cave bears, sabre-toothed tigers, etc.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
#13806627 - 01/18/11 08:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Awesome. I have this fantasy that there will one day be zoo filled with extinct creatures. Mammoths, cave bears, sabre-toothed tigers, etc.
That would be so amazing.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#13806631 - 01/18/11 08:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fucking zoos
Yup lets resurrect some extinct animals so we can keep them locked up in a fucking zoo.
What a great life it would be for them.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said: Fucking zoos
Yup lets resurrect some extinct animals so we can keep them locked up in a fucking zoo.
What a great life it would be for them.
Pretty much how i feel
I think it would be cool in theory to be able to clone a mammoth but why? Seems like our resources could be put to more practical uses.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Parkseerf]
#13806724 - 01/18/11 09:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Fucking zoos
Yup lets resurrect some extinct animals so we can keep them locked up in a fucking zoo.
What a great life it would be for them.
Pretty much how i feel
I think it would be cool in theory to be able to clone a mammoth but why? Seems like our resources could be put to more practical uses.
Holy shit folks we have someone who is using that thing called a brain!
Seriously tho man this is one of many mind numbingly counterproductive things we do and people wonder why the economic system and world itself is so fucked.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13806749 - 01/18/11 09:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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how is it counter productive to take millions of year old dna to create somthing that we ca actually study....living!
The only problem i see is it would not have the same diet at before which might cause some problems
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#13806766 - 01/18/11 09:29 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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legallyhomeless said: how is it counter productive to take millions of year old dna to create somthing that we ca actually study....living!
The only problem i see is it would not have the same diet at before which might cause some problems
Why not put that energy into things we need now. Like the hundreds of species that are becoming extinct in recent times?? Im sure this program is not run by charity.
How about instead of putting our resources into something like this we put them to use for sustainable energy??
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#13806842 - 01/18/11 09:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wonder what they would taste like. My guess Delicious .
But in seriousness if they are doing it to better understand science shit like how they lived, better understand evolution im down. Or for some reason we needed there meat to live
Putting them in zoos not so much.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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This isn't being done by any government. These are private operations. They can study and do whatever they please.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said: This isn't being done by any government. These are private operations. They can study and do whatever they please.
Thats all fine and dandy but I still think we need to put out resources in more important aspects of our life.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13806932 - 01/18/11 10:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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CLONE DINOSAURS!
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13806949 - 01/18/11 10:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Since when has science actually been focused on the right things? I agree with you. It would be absolutely fascinating to me if they could pull this off. Ethics and morals be damned, it's really cool.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
#13806954 - 01/18/11 10:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Since when has science actually been focused on the right things? I agree with you. It would be absolutely fascinating to me if they could pull this off. Ethics and morals be damned, it's really cool.
I know, but we need to start somewhere. Hell most of the new technology that could really help us in put into military operations. Gotta keep us safe from the terrorists.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Actually, a lot of that technology comes from military operations. Gps and the internet come to mind.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Bad.
It'll be ugly when the thing's born without a heart or has some weird genetic fuckup associated with the cloning process, otherwise it is at worst a waste of money in the name of scientific curiosity. It's not like they're going to be able to adapt and integrate to the local fauna. They might not even be able to reproduce.
People with your baseless fear are why Parkinson's victims still have to go paralyzed.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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Patlal said: Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?
Bad.
It'll be ugly when the thing's born without a heart or has some weird genetic fuckup associated with the cloning process, otherwise it is at worst a waste of money in the name of scientific curiosity. It's not like they're going to be able to adapt and integrate to the local fauna. They might not even be able to reproduce.
People with your baseless fear are why Parkinson's victims still have to go paralyzed.
My baseless fear?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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The only problem i see is it would not have the same diet at before which might cause some problems
Why not put that energy into things we need now. Like the hundreds of species that are becoming extinct in recent times?? Im sure this program is not run by charity.
How about instead of putting our resources into something like this we put them to use for sustainable energy??
If we can resurrect a 12,000 year old dead creature than all of the modern ones can die off and we can just bring them back whenever we want
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807009 - 01/18/11 10:31 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Fucking zoos
Yup lets resurrect some extinct animals so we can keep them locked up in a fucking zoo.
What a great life it would be for them.
So alternatively we should release an extinct predator into the wild with no control over it's breeding?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
#13807015 - 01/18/11 10:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Fucking zoos
Yup lets resurrect some extinct animals so we can keep them locked up in a fucking zoo.
What a great life it would be for them.
So alternatively we should release an extinct predator into the wild with no control over it's breeding?
Or how about we dont fuck around with it at all
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807019 - 01/18/11 10:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ayyy what's the worst that can happen?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807024 - 01/18/11 10:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think they are overestimating thier prowess in this endevour.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/18/can-woolly-mammoth-be-cloned-from-frozen-dna/
"The baby would not have any genetic relation to the surrogate mother that actually gives birth to it."
I don't see how that works . .
Wouldn't it be half mammoth and half elephant?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807025 - 01/18/11 10:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't see much risk associated with cloning a mammoth.
Very few extinct creatures still have viable DNA samples frozen in ice.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Patlal said: Seriously though. Good idea or bad idea?
Bad.
It'll be ugly when the thing's born without a heart or has some weird genetic fuckup associated with the cloning process, otherwise it is at worst a waste of money in the name of scientific curiosity. It's not like they're going to be able to adapt and integrate to the local fauna. They might not even be able to reproduce.
People with your baseless fear are why Parkinson's victims still have to go paralyzed.
My baseless fear?
What negative impacts can you name specifically that will come to pass as a result of this form of research?
Each one will be a speculative danger either based in science fiction or irrelevant in a controlled, well-funded scientific setting.
The Human Genome project and the abilities it unlocked pose a much greater risk than this.
You should be worried luke-warm about Craig Venter and his colleagues who have access to advanced genetic re-sequencers, as they are actively cutting apart small organisms gene by gene and recombobulating them to create their own tailored life forms. There is always the danger you create something capable of destroying an ecosystem by gobbling away at it, create something that can infect humans, (not so much of a virus, but bacterial anyway- we're not able to resequence viruses yet, from our knowledge anyway)- etc. Synthetic Genomics is a powerful tool, and a field that should be handled by the best and brightest, well funded independent researchers- and that's exactly who they've got on the job.
You don't even know what level of research we're capable of, what's been done as is being done under the public eye, or what type of advancements those fields might bring forth, and yet you'd burn down the laboratory. Would you go back to lancing boils, applying poultice of goat's dung, and bloodletting? No? Then I suggest you step aside and let those who dedicated their lives to the improvement of our race in bold and innovative ways continue to learn more about the mechanics of our universe.
Besides, we need to get better at cloning if we're going to clone you a new copy of that liver you drink out so somebody doesn't have to die for your transplants.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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Ugh. Yes that rasies real concerns as well. I dont have a fear of anything by the way. All Im saying is that its a waste of resources and money when we could be doing better things. Why not put thos efforts into maintaining what life we have left.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said: I don't see much risk associated with cloning a mammoth.
Very few extinct creatures still have viable DNA samples frozen in ice.
Precisely, it's an extremely rare opportunity. If it was an animal with a shorter life span and much smaller, if they somehow improved their cloning technique such that it's a 100% mammoth (it's my understanding they'll not be able to reproduce 100% mammoth with this method, technically using several generations and controlled fertilization to produce a near-mammoth hybrid); then i might be concerned. I could see an ancient rodent getting loose being pretty bad.
But as it stands, for the most part, the opposition is a subconscious root in judeo-christan ideology, and how any research that blatantly breaks it's foolish creation story must be dangerous. That's because it is, to the people holding the reigns on those congregations.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said: Why not put thos efforts into maintaining what life we have left.
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I think that demonstrates why cloning technology is vital endeavor.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Cloning can be used to maintain our lives.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
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blujay said: Precisely, it's an extremely rare opportunity. If it was an animal with a shorter life span and much smaller, if they somehow improved their cloning technique such that it's a 100% mammoth (it's my understanding they'll not be able to reproduce 100% mammoth with this method, technically using several generations and controlled fertilization to produce a near-mammoth hybrid); then i might be concerned. I could see an ancient rodent getting loose being pretty bad.
But as it stands, for the most part, the opposition is a subconscious root in judeo-christan ideology, and how any research that blatantly breaks it's foolish creation story must be dangerous. That's because it is, to the people holding the reigns on those congregations.
not to mention that wooly mammoths lived well within the lifetime of humans, so we have a more than reasonable idea of how the interaction is going to be.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807063 - 01/18/11 10:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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A new discovery is -almost- never a waste of resources. Especially something that ties into one of the most important fields being studied today.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
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I think that demonstrates why cloning technology is vital endeavor.
Then work on cloning a fucking liver. Not a god damn mammoth!
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807068 - 01/18/11 10:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who died and made you director of cloning research?
ps - they are working on it, many are.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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Mind Transcribing said: Cloning can be used to maintain our lives.
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Mind Transcribing said: Cloning can be used to maintain our lives.
Yep. People get hung up on the idea because they view cloning the whole organism which is very difficult anyway, and often likely to produce really gross results I'm sure even the scientists have to drink to forget, and not, say, a heart. Or a big blob of liver cells. Or a sheet of skin. Or a tank of blood cells.
Imagine if we could use genetic research to produce a machine that feeds and maintains a colony of marrow cells that pump out O+ at a continuous rate?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said: Who died and made you director of cloning research?
ps - they are working on it, many are.
Which brings us full circle. How is cloning a mammoth helping this world?? Whats done is done in my opinion. Mammoths are no longer here. To bring it back would be so unnatural. So whats next then We are going to start cloning humans??
Cloning parts of the body however to maintain life is reasonable and I can welcome that.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807096 - 01/18/11 10:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're basically saying that all human efforts should be for an altruistic service.
why? it's their money.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
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ps - they are working on it, many are.
Which brings us full circle. How is cloning a mammoth helping this world?? Whats done is done in my opinion. Mammoths are no longer here. To bring it back would be so unnatural. So whats next then We are going to start cloning humans??
Cloning parts of the body however to maintain life is reasonable and I can welcome that.
How can anything we do as living biological organisms be unatural?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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Flop Johnson said: Who died and made you director of cloning research?
ps - they are working on it, many are.
Which brings us full circle. How is cloning a mammoth helping this world?? Whats done is done in my opinion. Mammoths are no longer here. To bring it back would be so unnatural. So whats next then We are going to start cloning humans??
Cloning parts of the body however to maintain life is reasonable and I can welcome that.
How can anything we do as living biological organisms be unatural?
Come again please?? Make sense next time.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807114 - 01/18/11 10:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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We have already produced artificial life forms, entirely independent from any natural evolution. I imagine with the mammoth the gain is in improving techniques that can be applied on unrelated endeavors, and learning more about or biological history in the process.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807115 - 01/18/11 10:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Flop Johnson said: you're basically saying that all human efforts should be for an altruistic service.
why? it's their money.
also why do you insist that this is a waste of time? it would answer a great many questions.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
#13807131 - 01/18/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Flop Johnson said: you're basically saying that all human efforts should be for an altruistic service.
why? it's their money.
also why do you insist that this is a waste of time? it would answer a great many questions.
Because we have more important things to worry about in this day and age. This world is on the verge of collapse economically. One of many reasons.
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blujay said: We have already produced artificial life forms, entirely independent from any natural evolution. I imagine with the mammoth the gain is in improving techniques that can be applied on unrelated endeavors, and learning more about or biological history in the process.
Thats fine but you can not convince me that resurrecting a mammoth is the only way of conducting such research.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807133 - 01/18/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your dichotomy of natural and unnatural is a sad attempt to rationalize anything you are afraid of as not being "right". How can anything we do be unnatural?
Is flight unnatural to humans? What about medical science? What about the atomic bomb and nuclear fission? Where do you draw the line? Why do you disbelieve reality? Do you really believe for a second that humans have the capability to step outside reality and act "unnaturally"? Answer this honestly Deadhearts.
How is it possible for the universe (which we are made of and therefore a part of) to unfold "unnaturally"?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#13807135 - 01/18/11 10:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mind Transcribing said:
Your dichotomy of natural and unnatural is a sad attempt to rationalize anything you are afraid of as not being "right". How can anything we do be unnatural?
Is flight unnatural to humans? What about medical science? What about the atomic bomb and nuclear fission? Where do you draw the line? Why do you disbelieve reality? Do you really believe for a second that humans have the capability to step outside reality and act "unnaturally"? Answer this honestly Deadhearts.
How is it possible for the universe (which we are made of and therefore a part of) to unfold "unnaturally"?
Thats fine. Touche.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: blujay]
#13807148 - 01/18/11 11:03 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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With current technologies it is an uncommon opportunity. I don't see any reason why DNA amplification and purification techniques wouldn't make great advances in the future, however.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
#13807157 - 01/18/11 11:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to mention cloning an extinct species is just fucking cool.
I suppose we should not have landed on the moon since its just a big useless rock, right DeadHearts?
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: robbyberto]
#13807195 - 01/18/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: With current technologies it is an uncommon opportunity. I don't see any reason why DNA amplification and purification techniques wouldn't make great advances in the future, however.
Because DNA isn't typically fossilized. This isn't even technically a fossil, but the entire animal frozen under who knows what crazy amount of ice, unchanged, for all this time. We can't do this with anything not frozen and thereby well preserved (Jurrasic Park is fiction). We're not going to be having the tech to fill in missing DNA gaps for a long time yet.
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: DeadHearts]
#13807258 - 01/18/11 11:27 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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As is the case with the majority of science, this goes well beyond the issue of: "gee, lets clone an extinct mammoth".
In the process of even attempting something like this, new information will be gained that will be applicable to a number of areas of cloning and genetic adaptation/mutation.
They may find information applicable to the spread of antibiotic resistance, cloning livers, inherited genetic disorders etc.
It's much more than simply cloning for the sake of cloning
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Re: Scientists trying to clone, resurrect extinct mammoth [Re: badchad]
#13807261 - 01/18/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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badchad said: It's much more than simply cloning for the sake of cloning
And even if it was, who's to say that shouldn't be allowed?
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