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Grain VS. BRF
    #1361602 - 03/10/03 01:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

See I told you the hooligans were thinkers. They asked another one. Hope your thoughts can help. Here goes....Does the PF cake exhaust its energy because of "eating" all of it's food(brf) or because of using it's energy towards growth?
Hypthothising it is the loss of food, wouldn't a grain (popcorn) provide more food for fruiting? Thus resulting in more fruit per cake?
Being that when using the PF TEK most of the volume is taken up by vermiculite(containing no nutrients), wouldn't the popcorn tek be more efficient in supplying food for fruiting? Or is popcorn grain to complex to breakdown for fruiting?
Could someone use half BRF and half popcorn?
The hooligans are smarter then I thought  :grin:
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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Ali]
    #1361689 - 03/10/03 03:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well, here is some eh.. FOOD for thought.

popcorn does not hold much water, mushrooms are 90 % water fresh, so a cake needs to hold lots of water.

Popcorn is great for casings as it breaks apart easily, making a cake with it might become difficult.

You need a PC for grains, this is the nice part with the PF tek, no PC needed, if you got one tho.. fuck the PF tek. go straight to grains and case !!!



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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: PooPs]
    #1361965 - 03/10/03 06:29 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think the biggest problem with cakes is that they run out of water. Dunking somewhat addresses this issue. You can use grains in your cakes by grinding up the grain in a blender or whatever and substituting that for BRF. You definately need a PC for this hobby period, although some have gotten around it I don't think you can seperate the two teks by the use of a PC. Whole grains are used for spawn and casings. Ground-up grains, BRF and verm are used for cakes. Using grain for spawn is the best for the mushies, and the pf tek is best for the newbe.


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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: cheesenoonions]
    #1362208 - 03/10/03 08:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"....Does the PF cake exhaust its energy because of "eating" all of it's food(brf) or because of using it's energy towards growth?"

Does anybody have any idea about this one?



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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Ali]
    #1362232 - 03/10/03 08:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well, the mycelium will eat the food to produce energy to grow fruits, so it's one of the same...???  :confused:.. ehhh... man i'm confused..



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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: PooPs]
    #1363168 - 03/10/03 02:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

What they ment was does the cake stop flushing because it has ran out of food, water ,or both? Or does the cake just simply poop out? I mean in theory if one were able to provide maximum amounts of food and water per cake wouldn't one get maximum amounts of fruit per cake? What i'm saying is is that verm. doesn't supply any nutrients..its only a growing medium taking up space that could be used as food for fruiting primordia. Therefore if one used say an 'all grain' cake that could doulbe as a growing medium wouldnt that produce more mushie per cake??
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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Ali]
    #1363208 - 03/10/03 02:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

"....Does the PF cake exhaust its energy because of "eating" all of it's food(brf) or because of using it's energy towards growth?"

Does anybody have any idea about this one?



The cake stops giving flushes and is exhausted from lack of nutrients.
So the cake becomes spent after it runs out of food.


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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Ali]
    #1363233 - 03/10/03 03:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

As long as the mushrooms have water, nutrients, and the right conditions they could potentially produce numerous flushes. As for lasting for ever, well... Nothing lasts forever. Everything expires at some point in time. In other words... If mushrooms had and unlimited amount of resources while growing they could potentially grow for a long time. The problem is... there isn't an unlimited amount of resources within a cake/casing. Once all the resources are used up and/or the conditions become too harsh, the mycellium dies. It seems that everything in nature has its cycles, and there isn't much we can do to change that.


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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Roadkill]
    #1363835 - 03/10/03 06:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well I guess the next question would be which 'food' would supply our little mushies with the most of what they need to produce the most potent of flushes.Considering the variety of habitat in which mushrooms grow in the wild would not each individual 'strain' have (a) certain nutrient(s) needed to make it the most viable(potent) mushroom it can be? Or when you break it down to a molecular level is it omnivorous and not really matter?For instance if you used popcorn Tek instead of BRF would it flush more because it has more food or does BRF have more of what the mushies need...or is it (BRF)more easily brokendown by the mycelium and converted to energy?


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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Ali]
    #1364244 - 03/10/03 11:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

bump please...;o)


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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Roadkill]
    #1364293 - 03/11/03 12:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

How many dry grams of mushrooms is normal for a quart jar of grains?


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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1364303 - 03/11/03 12:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

20-30 g.


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Re: Grain VS. BRF [Re: Anno]
    #1364327 - 03/11/03 12:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ALi you would be correst in your assumption. Try it. Get rid of the vermiculite in the cake, as it serves no purpose other than keeping the cake held together and supplying it with a little more water. If you have a good watering/replenishing source then I say get rid of the vermiculite. But as the above peeps mentioned it is better to use grain my friend.

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