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Offlinezer0vega
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The decline of America
    #1332419 - 02/24/03 06:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Sigh, day by day my attitude toward the US declines.... invasion of privacy and the international witch hunt are only a couple of the problems that are driving me to dislike my own country. I don't see the problem getting any better in the near future either... the thought of leaving this country has crossed my mind more than once. Places like Japan, the Netherlands, and Canada really appeal to me. I've just been completely sick to my stomach about the situation our country is in.. PF's bust seems like a bad omen to the online mushroom community.. and the nation's war on drugs is just completely bullshit. It all just seems so fascist and out of control... i really just wanted to vent my feelings and see how many of you americans share the feeling of maybe needing to leave home for another country.. also, what would be some other alternatives to moving in order to gain some personal freedom and escape from the fascist trends?


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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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Re: The decline of America [Re: zer0vega]
    #1332512 - 02/24/03 07:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Leaving the country is only a temporary solution. Most countries have 2 choices: either accept US demands or be invaded. Russia, China, and the EU have a third option of resisting the US by creating the same conditions in their societies. Wherever you go, Amerikkka will come to you if you wait long enough. If you want to nip it in the bud and implement the 2nd amendment, then please remember that you will be doing so against the will of "we the people", being the majority of voters, who have chosen to surrender their freedoms to Bush and big oil; this became the reality as a result of the 2002 election. I am as much repulsed by fascism as anyone else here is; but in a democracy, nobody can claim intellectual superiority over the will of the voters.


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Re: The decline of America [Re: zer0vega]
    #1332902 - 02/25/03 12:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Someone sounds rather unPATRIOTotic

Your IP address has been logged


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OfflineEllis Dee
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Re: The decline of America [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1332905 - 02/25/03 12:07 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The tremendous costs of empire and imposing
family "values" on the rest of the world
is the main reason for our decline.


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Re: The decline of America [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1332907 - 02/25/03 12:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Empires cost?

Although I've never actually had one...I always thought they would bring in more then they cost...why bother to have one if they didn't?

As for family values..come on...is that what America's doing? It seems more like pure conquering to me...didn't America help create Saddam? Is he Uncle Sam's cousin? How 'bout Pinochet? Where does he fit in?


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Re: The decline of America [Re: zer0vega]
    #1333144 - 02/25/03 04:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You are right it really is sad. I can not think of too many alternitaves to moving. But I suppose that there are things you can do. As for unjust laws and overbearing regulations you can strive to enjoy activities in an underground sort of way. Increase clandestine technology and awareness. Think of ways to constantly keep your activities out of the prying eye of big brother. Know your rights and the laws and help others understand them. (this one is getting worse and worse though) Know that there are many people who feel the same way you do. (I believe this is true, its just that it may not seem that way)

Set up a home shield of better locked doors, braces, bars on the windows, dogs, cameras, electric fences (hehe), well just about anyting you can think of.

Honestly though I don't know what you can do. Cause I suppose the fact of the matter is, if some FBI agents want to jackboot you in the back of the head while your mouth is biting on a curb there is nothing that can be done to stop them from doing so.

I will not end on such a morbid tone however and say this. American ingenuity is a very real thing. And people will come up with ways to enjoy a free life even though the govt. is trying to control everyone. I still think if you can understand the system enough, and can plan things out well, you can still grow what you want, and enjoy some freedoms in life. Maybe also fight to change the laws, vote on subjects that will help.

I also have to add that if Canada decrims MJ, im gone.


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Re: The decline of America [Re: zer0vega]
    #1333165 - 02/25/03 04:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

america is declining because the world is catching up with it. we're not gonna be a superpower anymore, unless we're willing to go out and steal stuff. hopefully there are enough people in washington who can gracefully let go of our superpower status. personally, i don't think that not being a superpower anymore constitutes a "decline"... i think it would be great.


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Re: The decline of America [Re: zer0vega]
    #1333201 - 02/25/03 05:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well , let's see. You could use your head and spend some time researching and figure out a reasonable course of political action,or you could simply kill yourself.

either way, you would be helping the world out a little.


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Re: The decline of America [Re: zer0vega]
    #1333512 - 02/25/03 07:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Obviously, you simply have expectations which are too high.

If you expected any of those silly freedoms & liberties guaranteed by the Constitution, well, sorry to tell you, but Bush is busy wiping his ass with it....And, when he's done, Ashcroft has to finish wiping *his* ass...And then Ridge...And then.....

All levity aside, I actually agree with you completely. And, I don't know if you've noticed, but the brain-drain is already happening....Many programmers & scientific professionals are already heading the _fuck_ out as fast as they can....I hear they actually give grant money to researchers in Europe...Heh.....



~YSJ~


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Offlinezer0vega
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Re: The decline of America [Re: fadedpinkwings]
    #1333635 - 02/25/03 08:12 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

FadedPinkWings, why do you even bother posting, that was a pathetic attempt at an intelligent response.

YSJ, i guess it's not that my hopes are too high, but rather compared to the relative freedoms offered by other countries, the US seems like th USSR.

I could care less about the US' superpower status, all i want is civil liberty.


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