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K9's
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Okay now I know this subject has been discussed before but I am extremely confused as to how a K9 actually even works and am starting to think its pretty much 95% false alerts. I'm basing this on the following situations.

-I've fish bowled a car and walked right out and into an airport right by a K9 and it didn't even move. How can a K9 smell a double vaccum sealed zip of bud but not smell freshly smoked weed all over clothing?

-An friend of a friend was stopped by a police officer for questioning for something not involving drugs, and the officer happened to have a K9 sitting right next to him and right next to my friends pocket which had 2 gs of stinky ass bud and a g of cocaine. Once again, dog didn't flinch. How is this possible?

-Finally, if you smoke semi regularly in your car, and have a K9 unit come, regardless of if there is bud in the car or not shouldn't it instantly pick up on the stale marijuanna odor?

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Re: K9's [Re: benton]
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I'm not sure they're trained to pick up on the smell of smoked marijuana.


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Re: K9's [Re: benton]
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The dogs are only meant to give alert when ordered to if the officer did not give the dog permission to search or give him the command the dog will do nothing what so ever until the officer allows him to.

They are very very well trained and behaved.


and who knows maybe the dog doesn't know the difference b/w fresh bud and smoke.

And also maybe the dog didn't get a wiff of your shit or your buddy's so you both got lucky...but to stop a cop and talk to him...my fuck man:facepalm:

Edited by Prisoner#1 (07/22/10 07:29 PM)

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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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Barry Cooper's "Never Get Busted" video has a great segment on police dog training and use.  He used to be a police dog handler/trainer and has pretty good insight on their methods and why/how they work.  From what I remember from the video, it explains that dogs detect odours individually as opposed to a mixture like humans do (eg, a dog will smell and identify a mixture of weed and coffee as 2 individual scents, whereas most humans simply smell the combination of the 2 scents).  This is why masking drug odours with other, stronger scents doesn't always work - the dog can smell all scents distinctly.  He goes on to explain that drug dogs tend to be very fixated on their reward after their search, and sometimes they want the reward sooner so many have a tendency to indicate false positives.  Usually dogs are not punished for false positives, so it is in their best interests to signal more often than not.  Also the relationship between handlers and their dogs are usually pretty tight, so it can be easy for a handler to signal a dog to react as if a smell is there when it may not be.  The dog will always do what the handler indicates because it knows if it does what the handlers wants, it will get it's reward.  This is why I think police dogs are not a very reliable tool for finding drugs.  Although there isn't much if any data on the subject, i would be willing to bet that police dogs are not very reliable at all.

As for why they didn't smell drugs on you or your friend, i think the previous response about being not being told to go on their search applies generally... just my guess though.  ANyway, check out Barry Cooper's videos for more information.

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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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Scruffy404 said:
And also maybe the dog didn't get a wiff of your shit or your buddy's so you both got lucky...but to stop a cop and talk to him...my fuck man:facepalm:

What the fuck are you talking about? So your telling me that when I'm walking down the street and a cop throws on his lights and tells me to get on my knees because I look like a suspect of a robbery that just occured I was supposed to not open my mouth or tell him I plead the fifth when I was 100% innocent? It took maybe 5 minutes of talking for the situation to be diffused, simple mix up that was solved by calmly answering the officers questions then walking away rather than acting shady and refusing to answer. I didn't walk up and strike up a conversation with a cop with a K9 thanks for the concern though.

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Re: K9's [Re: benton]
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Maybe the K9s enjoy smelling the droogz. I got stoned today and went grocery shopping and happened to park next to an undercover cop with a german shepard and a shotgun in the front seat! :awehigh:


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Re: K9's [Re: benton]
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you said your friend asked them about drugs while he had coke and dope on him? Why ask a cop about drugs and you said you walked into a airport after smokign dope and smelling of dope??why put your self in that situation.?

Edited by Scruffy404 (07/22/10 09:16 PM)

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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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Scruffy404 said:
you said your friend asked them about drugs while he had coke and dope on him? Why ask a cop about drugs and you said you walked into a airport after smokign dope and smelling of dope??why put your self in that situation.?

Dude honestly I was trying to be semi-nice here but are you mentally retarded or just illiterate. Do me a favor and re-read my post before you type a new one of your own. Can you please tell me where it says I asked a cop about drugs? It actually says the complete opposite but I'll help you out if you can't read a sentence. Secondly, it is not a crime to smell of weed nor is it a crime to be under the influence of marijuanna if you do not have any on your person so I don't see what situation I put myself in. Excuse me for getting high in a state that has weed decriminalized before a flight.

Jesus christ...

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Re: K9's [Re: benton]
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Well that dog you walked by in the airport was most likely a bomb sniffing dog.


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Re: K9's [Re: Mushface]
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Mushface said:
Well that dog you walked by in the airport was most likely a butt sniffing dog.



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Re: K9's [Re: Mushface]
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SO to beat a drug sniffing dog.....leave fresh dog treats under your seats and everywhere a dog would notice them then when the canine comes in it will eat all the food and refuse to do any actual work cause it already had its fill of rewards.

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Re: K9's [Re: benton]
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benton said:
Scruffy404 said:
you said your friend asked them about drugs while he had coke and dope on him? Why ask a cop about drugs and you said you walked into a airport after smokign dope and smelling of dope??why put your self in that situation.?

Dude honestly I was trying to be semi-nice here but are you mentally retarded or just illiterate. Do me a favor and re-read my post before you type a new one of your own. Can you please tell me where it says I asked a cop about drugs? It actually says the complete opposite but I'll help you out if you can't read a sentence. Secondly, it is not a crime to smell of weed nor is it a crime to be under the influence of marijuanna if you do not have any on your person so I don't see what situation I put myself in. Excuse me for getting high in a state that has weed decriminalized before a flight.

Jesus christ...


awh mis read your post thought your friend asked the cop but the cop asked your friend sorry...
But yes it is illegal to smell like marijuana or be under the influence of it im pritty sure because marijuana itself is illegal all im wondering is why you put your self in the "heat" to get a drug dog to notice you (airport/smoking/walking in smelling like dope??? Why all the heat?)

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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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Scruffy404 said:
But yes it is illegal to smell like marijuana or be under the influence of it im pritty sure because marijuana itself is illegal all im wondering is why you put your self in the "heat" to get a drug dog to notice you (airport/smoking/walking in smelling like dope??? Why all the heat?)


What planet are you from?  Possession of Marijuana is illegal.  Consumption is legal.  As long as you do not have any drugs on you, the police can't charge you with anything...


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But so does the human experience.. which is like fire, sometimes you just need to stoke the coals and sometimes you just need to add a log or reposition the log matrix. But a well built fire will be much more self-sustaining than a poorly built one, and they all need love to grow. And don't fuck around or your might burn yourself. Must always respect the fire. - Shroomism

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Re: K9's [Re: Happy2fly]
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No way really?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ALL THESE YEARS MY GRACIOUS !!!! GRACIOUS ME :facepalm:
So driving while under the influence of marijuana is legal eh? hmmmm not what I got charged for????
Damn I sure wish I lived on your fairy tale planet.

Lmfao so I can eat a bunch of acid and run around my town pretending im fucking Jerry garcia and I won't get in shit for it right??? lol
It sounds like your saying as long as your smoking it your ok ...Not where I live sadly :frown:

Edited by Scruffy404 (07/23/10 12:42 PM)

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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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maybe only while driving butr not anytime else


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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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Scruffy404 said:
No way really?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ALL THESE YEARS MY GRACIOUS !!!! GRACIOUS ME :facepalm:
So driving while under the influence of marijuana is legal eh? hmmmm not what I got charged for????
Damn I sure wish I lived on your fairy tale planet.

Lmfao so I can eat a bunch of acid and run around my town pretending im fucking Jerry garcia and I won't get in shit for it right??? lol
It sounds like your saying as long as your smoking it your ok ...Not where I live sadly :frown:


Wow... :foreheadslap:

You can't get a DUI while walking through an airport.  Walking under the influence of marijuana is legal.  Driving under the influence is not.

What does eating acid and Jerry Garcia have to do with smoking pot before a flight?


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The fire has many things to teach.
But so does the human experience.. which is like fire, sometimes you just need to stoke the coals and sometimes you just need to add a log or reposition the log matrix. But a well built fire will be much more self-sustaining than a poorly built one, and they all need love to grow. And don't fuck around or your might burn yourself. Must always respect the fire. - Shroomism

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Re: K9's [Re: Majoses]
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Oh just give it time...Don't worry the chaos will come.
But no honestly I did get charged for DUI while under the influence of Not Booze but dope...they called me a doper :frown:

No its just how you worded it. And it has everything to do with it
So if I can't get busted for smoking dope and walking into an airport I can't get busted for eating acid and walking into an airport right? Even tho just by the looks of me they know how fucked up I am??:trippinballs: but that go's without saying.

Edited by Scruffy404 (07/23/10 12:58 PM)

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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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ur allowed to go to an airport fucked up, thats why they have bars and booze at airports, its all good :feelsgoodman: just do yer thang


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Re: K9's [Re: I AM SWIM]
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I guess I will have to try some tabs before I get onto a plane again ...If I remember last time I was on one it was the most boring fucking part of my life 200+ people in a titanium can flying sky high shitting and farting and ordering peanuts to go...I almost lost it.

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Re: K9's [Re: Scruffy404]
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I went to airport tripping and I was straight.

It was such a brilliant experience.

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